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Actually, I don't think America was named after Vespucci, other wise it would be called Vespuccia.
Right, that gives me an idea, I'm going to write an entire alternate history novel based in the United States of Vespuccia. With dragons, werewolves and everything, like.
Hey, mate you really know your history, don't you?
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Watch TV and read some newspapers, it will help you broaden your horizon
And, please, do not groan at me.
That's what i do. minus the TV.
Hence I learned something as simple as citing sources ( who, what, where)

2nd hand tales = not good facts.
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Well, I think we've been fairly patient with your general prattling and specific murdering of grammar norms. But I'm done. English, Australian, and American should be capitalized. It's "either - or" or "neither - nor" but never "either - nor." That's the grammar.

Now the history. Precisely where on the planet do you think the exact same original people still live? I'm just curious. As far as I know there is not a single place that has not been subject to migration and conquest at some time in the past. So I'm assuming that you are generalizing on the basis of recency? If so, what time period do you use as your cut off? Are you choosing the 15th or 16th century for a very good reason or just because it allows you to spout whatever nonsense you're spouting? These are all serious questions.
Is that ^^ all what you can say? Be serious, please!
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Hey, mate you really know your history, don't you?
It's not "my" history .
Anyway, I got that gem from QI, so it must be true. Stephen Fry never lies, does he?
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...an-shield.html

Is now all good? Is it still hearsay?
If any normal person came up with such mixed explanations and backtracking on blatant falsehoods (he had a weapon, oh no he didnt) for so serious an incident they would be laughed out onto the street... but for governments its fine, sure why not, go ahead. We trust them, right? I fully accept that all governments lie and distort the truth to varying extents for their own ends, but I don't think i've ever seen one so practised and callous with lying to their own people as that of the American government.
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Is that ^^ all what you can say? Be serious, please!
That. You mean "that."

And no, there are plenty of other things I'd say if I thought you'd understand them. Apparently the previous questions were too baffling for you to answer.
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So for years, the US has lived in fear of the Bogeyman Osama. Having a bogeyman is very useful politically, to keep the people in a state of fear- so many great laws can be passed- like the Patriot Act. So many people can be rounded up and thrown into prison, kept without trial even when innocent.
Sometimes I don't like Obama's approach- the burial at sea, the taking of brain material for a DNA match on Obama- who gave them those rights? But I do think that he is taking a more intelligent approach and in light of the alternatives it is the best way. Obama said that he would kill Osama and he did.

The where will these political assassinations end? argument is bunk; there have always been political assassinations this is nothing new. Think of how many Iranian nuclear scientists have been assassinated- I don't remember much outcry about their deaths. where was the outrage- where was the Oh where will all this political assassination under the guise of fighting terrorism end?

I wrote about it several times- none of you condemned it then- why now? The Iranian nuclear scientists had done nothing wrong.

What I am interested to see if is Obama will use the Bush tactic and hype up another bogeyman, or will he continue in promoting Arab democracy?

Apparently there are two ways that they could have done the DNA check.

To do it properly they should have used a 'clean' lab. While Osama's sister was being treated in Boston they apparently saved some of her brain material and this is what they will use (Yuck- so gruesome)
However in the meantime there is another quicker ( slightly less reliable) DNA test that they could do on the ship- which they probably did.
This was a highly organized operation- transporting Osama on to the ship carrying a DNA lab and Muslim clerics? I wonder who those Muslims clerics are who agreed to do this?

What I am amazed at is that this whole operation did not leak for the whole year (yes, whole year!) that they were planning it. Assange must have been sleeping on the job. This proves to me that Obama has a tight rein.

Two things that I don't believe- that the lead came from a courier, it must have come from Saudi Arabia. The other thing I don't believe is that right at the end a helicopter had difficulties, so that they had to get permission for air cover from the Pakisatani government.

But really it is long past time to get out of Afghanistan. Pakistan?- that's a different story, they need to sort their military out.

Oh and who gave Pakistan the bomb- the Swiss Tinner family?

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How come there is no hit contract on the Tinners- even though they messed up and inadvertently gave Pakistan the bomb.- Another Bush failure.

Obama watched it live from the WH. cnn are showing photos of them watching it. Hilary has her hand over her mouth and Obama leaning far forward watching intently.

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That. You mean "that."

And no, there are plenty of other things I'd say if I thought you'd understand them. Apparently the previous questions were too baffling for you to answer.
Am I choosing the 15th or 16th century for some reason? - YES! A good one! 15th century marks the start of a new world, more civilized. New cultural movement started forming and growing, the renaissance.
So, you can imagine that world was something like today, excluding the PC's, TV's and high-tech devices. At that time, America was discovered and many countries ran towards this "new world" in search of gold. Mate, those countries were europeans, that is why today you speak english and not one of the indigenous languages of the native americans
So, during the time that native America was conquered, the native americans were killed and massacred all over their own soil!
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........Does this answers your question? If not, please don't groan at me, just write to me a pm and we can continue our debate via private messages

No way dude---keep this public--just give me 5 mins for the popcorn to finish
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"for the popcorn to finish" he calls it now.
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"for the popcorn to finish" he calls it now.

hahaha--that's a great analogy. I'm going to adopt it now...we at least after the next batch of PC.
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Which followers? Don't you know islamic doctrine? If you praise anything BUT God you are committing blasphemy? And how come his followers (who are not that much) ready to die for God and Koran would commit an act which is against their Holy Scriptures?
And according to islamic tradition there is no deadline when the body should be buried, they should bury their dead as soon as they can and not in 24 hours.


You should try to see the difference between muslim belief and Islamic doctrine. Two very differents and opposite way of practicing the faith into Islam.

Killing is committing blasphemy too.

Are you Islamist? I am not, so I can't talk about Islamism.

But I am muslim (maybe not a good one but I have enough knowledge to stand my grounds about it) and it is in the culture to burry our dead into 24 hours. It isn't a deadline, it is a tradition according of what it is writted in the Quran. I already explained the exceptions made to this tradition.
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Am I choosing the 15th or 16th century for some reason? - YES! A good one! 15th century marks the start of a new world, more civilized. New cultural movement started forming and growing, the renaissance.
So, you can imagine that world was something like today, excluding the PC's, TV's and high-tech devices. At that time, America was discovered and many countries ran towards this "new world" in search of gold. Mate, those countries were europeans, that is why today you speak english and not one of the indigenous languages of the native americans
So, during the time that native America was conquered, the native americans were killed and massacred all over their own soil!
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Yes, yes. And Normandy in France is named after Vikings. Lombardy in Italy is also named after Vikings. The Finnish speak a Hunnic language. Northern Africa was entirely conquered by Islamic warriors from Arabia. England was conquered, in turn, by Angles and Saxons, then piecemeal by Vikings, then by Normans. India was conquered by Mongols, hence the Mughal Empire. Northern China was also conquered by Mongols.

Perhaps the most unique feature of the American conquest and settlement was that the native people had very little resistance to the diseases that were brought over by the conquering people. This unfortunate result of geographic separation caused the vast majority of the loss of life.

My point is that everyone has been conquered. Frequently the conquest includes an unfortunate amount of genocide. I don't imagine we're actually debating historical precedent though. Or anything substantive at all.

I'll leave off the grammar though!
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You should try to see the difference between muslim belief and Islamic doctrine. Two very differents and opposite way of practicing the faith into Islam.

Killing is committing blasphemy too.

Are you Islamist? I am not, so I can't talk about Islamism.

But I am muslim (maybe not a good one but I have enough knowledge to stand my grounds about it) and it is in the culture to burry our dead into 24 hours. It isn't a deadline, it is a tradition according of what it is writted in the Quran. I already explained the exceptions made to this tradition.
It says in Koran that you can kill, so obviously it is not blasphemy.
I'm not islamist but I have studied religions. I all I'm saying to you, I can quote your Koran since you are moslem. I have read the Koran and it does not say when or how to bury someone, it is explained in the tradition of prophet Mohammed, or as you moslems call it, Hadith.
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That's gonna take some...That wine you got yesterday was good, tho. Only need some sticky coffee liqueur and chocolate covered almonds from Merkur and I am good to go.

Why shock with some high school lingo, though. Cmon, grynch. It's so...midlife crisis.

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That dude was Lou Reed..and you call yourself Ameeeerican.

Back to OBL.
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Yes, yes. And Normandy in France is named after Vikings. Lombardy in Italy is also named after Vikings. The Finnish speak a Hunnic language. Northern Africa was entirely conquered by Islamic warriors from Arabia. England was conquered, in turn, by Angles and Saxons, then piecemeal by Vikings, then by Normans. India was conquered by Mongols, hence the Mughal Empire. Northern China was also conquered by Mongols.

My point is that everyone has been conquered. Frequently the conquest includes an unfortunate amount of genocide. I don't imagine we're actually debating historical precedent though. Or anything substantive at all.

I'll leave off the grammar though!
You made me laugh, really
I guess you do not understand at all what I wrote. I was answering your question on "why i choose 15th century", and you fail to see the answer. Instead, you started blubbering.
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