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Old 03.05.2011, 16:09
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You should try to see the difference between muslim belief and Islamic doctrine. Two very differents and opposite way of practicing the faith into Islam.

Killing is committing blasphemy too.

Are you Islamist? I am not, so I can't talk about Islamism.

But I am muslim (maybe not a good one but I have enough knowledge to stand my grounds about it) and it is in the culture to burry our dead into 24 hours. It isn't a deadline, it is a tradition according of what it is writted in the Quran. I already explained the exceptions made to this tradition.
Where is the law on Burial. I re-read my Koran and can't find it!

I know the burial ritual, the mourning dates etc. but where is the law written?

All can find is stuff like this from the hadiths.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/hadith/had18.htm

Could you please give me a source where the laws are written Nil?
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You made me laugh, really
I guess you do not understand at all what I wrote. I was answering your question why i choose 15th century, and you fail to see the answer. Instead, you started blubbering.
Blubbering, eh? The google translate appears to have let you down again. It's probably because your lack of punctuation confuses it.

So you chose the Renaissance era because, well, it lets you make whatever point it was you were attempting to make in relation to the European powers race for wealth and property in the new world. So be it.
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We should throw a piknick soon, you comin'? I got this fab fab fab Marks and Sparks piknic set, aaaah.



That dude was Lou Reed..and you call yourself Ameeeerican.

Back to OBL.


throw a piknick .... you comin? .... fab fab fab...

MC.. would you kindly speak some Queens English. Thank you very kindly for your understandin'


scarey looking dude was Lou Reed? ....... *LMAO* mr mud was using MY pic dahlin
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Old 03.05.2011, 16:20
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There seem to be different opinions about burial at sea according to the Muslim faith but I think I am still right about the 3 day rule. If they can't get to land in 3 days then it must be buried at sea:

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The author of al-Mughni said: "If a person died while in a ship on the sea, then, according to Ahmad, they should wait a day or two to find a place to bury him, unless they are afraid that the corpse would decay. If they cannot find a place (on land) to bury him, then the deceased should be washed, shrouded, a funeral prayer offered for him, then tied with a heavy weight, it be thrown into the water." This is the opinion of 'Ata and Al-Hasan. Al-Hasan said, "He is to be put in a basket and then thrown into the sea." Ash-Shafi'i said: "The body should be placed on two boards and let into the sea so that the boards might take it ashore, where some people might find it and bury it. But if one throws it into the sea, one would not be committing any sin."

The latter, i.e. burial at sea, is preferable, because it serves the purpose of covering the body which is comparable to burying him. Tying it between two boards is apt to expose it and cause it to be disfigured and mutilated. It might be thrown on the shore, mutilated and naked, or it might fall into the hands of pagans. That is why we believe the second course mentioned above is to be preferred.
http://lutonmuslims.com/index.php?op...fter&Itemid=59

Anyway I have to swot up before I go stone-tapping on graves.
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Where is the law on Burial. I re-read my Koran and can't find it!

I know the burial ritual, the mourning dates etc. but where is the law written?

All can find is stuff like this from the hadiths.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/hadith/had18.htm

Could you please give me a source where the laws are written Nil?
It is not a law. It is a tradition. And it may also depend of where you are from. But I am pretty sure that the body has to be cleaned into the 24 hours. And from that, most of the time, the burried is made. Everytime I have a friend who lost a family member, it was a rush to go back home (no matter which country the home is) for the burried and not being late for it into a day or so.

For finding the hadiths where it is explained why it has to be done so quickly, I am sorry, I have absolutely no time for that. I wish to find the exact explanation but I can't.
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Old 03.05.2011, 16:31
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It is not a law. It is a tradition. And it may also depend of where you are from. But I am pretty sure that the body has to be cleaned into the 24 hours. And from that, most of the time, the burried is made. Everytime I have a friend who lost a family member, it was a rush to go back home (no matter which country the home is) for the burried and not being late for it into a day or so.

For finding the hadiths where it is explained why it has to be done so quickly, I am sorry, I have absolutely no time for that. I wish to find the exact explanation but I can't.
As a good Muslim you must make time for these things, it is your duty to study and question!
Oh well, I guess you just have to go with the flow on burials, a bit like the laws on Ramadan fasting in Sweden during the summer solstice.
Anyway, I have to make sure I tighten up on my Muslim observances, I don't want to be thought of as disrespectful. So my pendulum is about to swing toward the Muslim faith (with democratic principles of course!).

I will choose a Muslim burial-that way none of my family will make it in time, which is how I would prefer it, they will just go straight to the pub!
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‎"I will mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that." -Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Too much rejoicing in the US, I felt this quote was appropriate.
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why do muslims really care how or where this terrorist was buried?? when other non-muslims terrorists have been killed the world couldn't care less what happens to the bodies, yet this guy, who has single handily put christian - muslim relations back to the crusades ages, and muslim organizations are tripping over themselves to condem the burial. ffs you had the perfect opportunity to improve relations, all you needed to say was this guy was a murderer and not a true muslim, but once again you blow it.

why even say anything? by sticking your oar in your making it into yet another religious issue.
So true. Religious organizations need to start hiring better PR people. Likewise, see the Catholic Church refusing to ex-communicate priests convicted of pedophilia. A simple, and kind of obvious, opportunity to score PR points and they're too dim to recognize it.
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‎"I will mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that." -Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

Too much rejoicing in the US, I felt this quote was appropriate.
While I agree with the sentiments, the first sentence, which seems most appropriate, is not actually a quote from MLK Jr.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...s-born/238220/
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Old 03.05.2011, 17:11
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While I agree with the sentiments, the first sentence, which seems most appropriate, is not actually a quote from MLK Jr.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/...s-born/238220/

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shame on pakistan for harbouring osama for 6 years
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Now we know what Obama was watching :
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Old 03.05.2011, 23:01
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So Y'all ready for the movie?
The book Seal Team 6 will be on bookshelves by the end of the week and the movie will be coming to a theater near you real soon- watch this space
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Possibly one of the best presidential speeches ever !
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You gotta love the picture CNN is running of the "Navy Seals" who carried out the attack on bin Laden. You'd think wet suits and flippers would be out of place in the middle of Pakistan..



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Re: US gov. claiming Osama bin Laden killed.

From today's newspaper "White House admits that bin Laden was unarmed at time of assault"

"unarmed?" Same as most of the people murdered by the suicide bombers that BL supported.
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Old 04.05.2011, 10:37
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Re: US gov. claiming Osama bin Laden killed.

Tonight at 9pm there's a BBC radio debate on OBL's killing.

The Moral Maze on BBC Radio 4 :

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b010t7s5
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Re: US gov. claiming Osama bin Laden killed.

After about a decade of struggle and failure to achieve the actual goals of the war in Afghanistan, this OBL episode was just a show thing to justify, to finally make peace with the Taliban and address Pakistan's concerns regarding its role in trade with Central Asia via Afghanistan.

It was more like a last / desperate attempt towards an acceptable solution for the Afghan problem. The trump card has been played, from hereon it can only be a direct confrontration between US and Pakistan.
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Re: US gov. claiming Osama bin Laden killed.

In all the hype about OBL's death, one thing that sticks in my mind is how does this really affect Al Qaeda? I mean it's not too tricky to be a nasty minded person and think of evil ways of keeping the world on it's toes by funding the odd martyrdom seeking lunatic who is willing to take out a bunch of innocents for whatever reason they've been indoctrinated with. Any "security expert" worth his weight in ball bearings (and we've seen a few wheeled out in the past few days), will tell you that it's impossible to stop terrorists who are willing to give up their own lives in order to "further the cause", which in loose terms is fighting Christians and Jews.

Orchestrating events like 9/11, Madrid and the London bombings is way beyond the means of a single figurehead, so I'm not sure why the general impression is that a major victory has been won with OBL's assassination. Not that it's a bad thing, but Medusa's head had more than one snake willing to defend her.
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