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Orchestrating events like 9/11, Madrid and the London bombings is way beyond the means of a single figurehead, so I'm not sure why the general impression is that a major victory has been won with OBL's assassination. Not that it's a bad thing, but Medusa's head had more than one snake willing to defend her.
Why do people think these events were hard to pull off? They were effective because they were stupidly easy to organise, someone just had to be callous enough to do them.
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Old 04.05.2011, 11:17
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Why do people think these events were hard to pull off? They were effective because they were stupidly easy to organise, someone just had to be callous enough to do them.
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Why do people think these events were hard to pull off? They were effective because they were stupidly easy to organise, someone just had to be callous enough to do them.
It's interesting (not sure if that's the right word) that there has been no "major" terrorist strike since these events so that is a break of what, 5 or 6 years.

Either the intel has been easier to gather and/or more accurate, so thwarting any further attacks or there is some other reason.
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Old 04.05.2011, 11:26
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It's interesting (not sure if that's the right word) that there has been no "major" terrorist strike since these events so that is a break of what, 5 or 6 years.

Either the intel has been easier to gather and/or more accurate, so thwarting any further attacks or there is some other reason.
they have tried, bombs at edinburgh, outside night clubs in london, the other failed attacks in london, the bomb in times square recently, all that failed to detonate, quite unbelievable how inept these people seem to be, there was a time when any A-Level student could have knocked up a bomb, now it seems even highly qualified doctors can't put one together, its shocking how the standard of education has dropped in the last few years.
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they have tried, bombs at edinburgh, outside night clubs in london, the other failed attacks in london, the bomb in times square recently, all that failed to detonate, quite unbelievable how inept these people seem to be, there was a time when any A-Level student could have knocked up a bomb, now it seems even highly qualified doctors can't put one together, its shocking how the standard of education has dropped in the last few years.
Ah, yes - I also forgot about the Glasgow airport bomb 2-3 years ago, too, which did detonate.
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they have tried, bombs at edinburgh, outside night clubs in london, the other failed attacks in london, the bomb in times square recently, all that failed to detonate, quite unbelievable how inept these people seem to be, there was a time when any A-Level student could have knocked up a bomb, now it seems even highly qualified doctors can't put one together, its shocking how the standard of education has dropped in the last few years.
The anarchyst's cookbook is not available on kindle, I guess...
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It's interesting (not sure if that's the right word) that there has been no "major" terrorist strike since these events so that is a break of what, 5 or 6 years.

Isn't it also interesting that there were also long breaks before without major terrorist incidents?

Also, However much attention they generate, they rarely get much support for whatever cause they do it for, most people are still revolted by intentional attacks against civilians.
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Old 04.05.2011, 11:40
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Why do people think these events were hard to pull off? They were effective because they were stupidly easy to organise, someone just had to be callous enough to do them.
Sorry, have to disagree. Whilst Madrid and London were clearly bombed by small groups organized amongst themselves, 9/11 was superbly planned and meticulously executed. I'm not going to go off topic, but flying a fully loaded B.767 at high Mach speed into the WTC towers is not something that any idiot is going to be capable of by flying Flightsim on his bedroom PC for a few nights.
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Sorry, have to disagree. Whilst Madrid and London were clearly bombed by small groups organized amongst themselves, 9/11 was superbly planned and meticulously executed. I'm not going to go off topic, but flying a fully loaded B.767 at high Mach speed into the WTC towers is not something that any idiot is going to be capable of by flying Flightsim on his bedroom PC for a few nights.
Not forgetting the boiling point of jet fuel is much lower than the melting point of steel, so it could never have metled the steel plates/reinforcements.

Also in London bombings, the yellow vinyl on the handles and the blue velvet seat cover of the bus seem intact despite an explosion powerful enough to blow up the roof. Any conventional explosive would have left burn marks and atleast shredded the velvet seat covers.
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Old 04.05.2011, 11:52
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Sorry, have to disagree. Whilst Madrid and London were clearly bombed by small groups organized amongst themselves, 9/11 was superbly planned and meticulously executed. I'm not going to go off topic, but flying a fully loaded B.767 at high Mach speed into the WTC towers is not something that any idiot is going to be capable of by flying Flightsim on his bedroom PC for a few nights.
I don't see the organizaton complexity in having some other crazy friends arriving at a train station at the same time as you while carrying explosives.

We all know what happens when you put a cherry bomb under a can, you can then extrapolate to an underground tunnel /station.

this WTF( Wikipedia Twitter Facebook) world has made organization very simple.
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Not forgetting the boiling point of jet fuel is much lower than the melting point of steel, so it could never have metled the steel plates/reinforcements.
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Also in London bombings, the yellow vinyl on the handles and the blue velvet seat cover of the bus seem intact despite an explosion powerful enough to blow up the roof. Any conventional explosive would have left burn marks and atleast shredded the velvet seat covers.
What?
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Not forgetting the boiling point of jet fuel is much lower than the melting point of steel, so it could never have metled the steel plates/reinforcements.
Definitely true, but from what I gathered, there was no molten steel at the site, making it rather irrelevant.
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Definitely true, but from what I gathered, there was no molten steel at the site, making it rather irrelevant.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2250983.stm
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Not forgetting the boiling point of jet fuel is much lower than the melting point of steel, so it could never have metled the steel plates/reinforcements.

Also in London bombings, the yellow vinyl on the handles and the blue velvet seat cover of the bus seem intact despite an explosion powerful enough to blow up the roof. Any conventional explosive would have left burn marks and atleast shredded the velvet seat covers.
Nice to see a real explosive expert on the scene. The hundreds who previously studied these events obviously didn't know what they were doing.
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Nice to see a real explosive expert on the scene. The hundreds who previously studied these events obviously didn't know what they were doing.
I did my A levels in Physics back in the days when standard of education was much better
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Not forgetting the boiling point of jet fuel is much lower than the melting point of steel, so it could never have metled the steel plates/reinforcements.

Also in London bombings, the yellow vinyl on the handles and the blue velvet seat cover of the bus seem intact despite an explosion powerful enough to blow up the roof. Any conventional explosive would have left burn marks and atleast shredded the velvet seat covers.

boiling point? what you on about?? iirc the steel didn't melt, it just softened and gave way,

conventional explosive?? so they used unconventional explosive then?? maybe people sitting on the seats protected the seat covers??

what do conspiracy theories come up with for the bus bomb then, some sort of mind control explosion??

eta its not vinyl on the hand rails, its powder coating, which is as hard as nails, as there wasn't a fire then why would you expect burn marks??
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I still see no proof (or even mention) of molten steel in the WTC wreckage?!?
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