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Old 05.05.2011, 10:45
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The point is not if he retaliated or what attire he was wearing.. but the change of account of the events.

Now from what I know Navy SEALs are highly capable and very well trained personnell who are well prepared to be dropped into hostile situations where they have to assess the surroundings, people around, armed or unarmed, how many and in what positions and to plan and carry out a counter manouevere or offensive within seconds. That is their job, if my understanding is correct.

Now portraying a SEAL like a civilian victim (dare I saw a woman) whos been through a traumatic experience and cannot recall the event clearly is highly absurd. Why would you do discredit or undermine your Elite force?

I don't think the SEALS themselves have been making ANY statements and who in your opinion has been undermining them, or saying they have stress-related trauma ?

the conflicting reports as I can see have been coming from various media and two highly trusted sources of info -- the ISI and 12yr old daughter of OBL.
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Re: US gov. claiming Osama bin Laden killed.

Are people really questioning whether this was an execution squad?

C'mon folks.

1) The US army have and always will be trained to shoot first, ask questions later. As a simple example, the US army's way of securing an area in a fight is simply to lay down suppressing fire until no-one is moving.

2) The ideal outcome for the US would be OBL dead. No messy trial, no focal point, no custody, no needing to provide evidence etc. etc. Oh look, guess what, he was killed when they were really trying to detain him without hurting him...

Sheesh.
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Re: US gov. claiming Osama bin Laden killed.

I'm not a die-hard conspiracy theorist. I have no interest in bad-mouthing the US, its president, or anyone.

Personally I'm interested in proof and facts. Based on this documentary about the 9/11 incident, I tend not to believe everything that the media, president, or any similar person of influence tells me. After watching this (there are 19 parts to the series, and they're worth watching) it certainly made me say, "hmmmmm".



I thought this video of the Fox 40 epic fail looked pretty convincing, too. I get the suspiscion that it's not manipulated in any way... Unless there are some new video editing tools out there? The documentry above reports that fox 40 is controlled by the govt anyways.



As far as Bin Laden's death is concerned? I don't think much will improve. The documentary above reports on how the Bush government was (is?) very close to and reliant on the Bin Laden family for money (what else?) and previously they were US allies against Russia.

Based on this (if Bin Laden IS in fact dead) it's entirely possible that the Bin Laden family might seek revenge on the US govt.

Who knows?
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Based on this (if Bin Laden IS in fact dead) it's entirely possible that the Bin Laden family might seek revenge on the US govt.

Who knows?
I do! They won't.
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Based on this (if Bin Laden IS in fact dead) it's entirely possible that the Bin Laden family might seek revenge on the US govt.

Who knows?

I think it is fair to say we can expect a global reply from OBL's legions...
Many attacks on Political targets (Embassies etc) , maybe a big one...Maybe that sleeping Dirty Nuke will be set off....
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They won't.
If they were close buddies with just the Bush family, not the US as a whole, why not? Whose family gets in to bed with politics and then turns a blind eye when one of their beloved gets knocked off at the hands of their 'ally'?

At least it's reason for someone to commit a horrendous crime and blame it on the Bin Laden retaliation.
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I don't think the SEALS themselves have been making ANY statements and who in your opinion has been undermining them, or saying they have stress-related trauma ?

the conflicting reports as I can see have been coming from various media and two highly trusted sources of info -- the ISI and 12yr old daughter of OBL.

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On Monday, the White House said bin Laden was involved in a firefight, which is why the SEALs killed rather than captured him. On Tuesday, however, White House press secretary Jay Carney said bin Laden did not fire on the SEALs. He said bin Laden resisted but offered no specifics. Bin Laden’s wife rushed the SEALs when they stormed the room, Carney said, and was shot in the calf.

"Bin Laden was then shot and killed," Carney said. "He was not armed."
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Re: US gov. claiming Osama bin Laden killed.

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Re: US gov. claiming Osama bin Laden killed.

Ok, finally I managed to dig out someone who knows someone who was in Abbotabad on the night of the raid on OBL's compound and luckily he is a local there and lives on the same road, within walking distance, from OBL's compound and PMA Kakul.

That night he was sitting outisde his house with friends and they saw 2 military choppers flying in, it was dark so could not exactly identify. Nothing unusual in the area military choppers do land and take off from PMA compound. But these 2 choppers went towards OBL's compound and were hovering over it for few mins, which was NOT usual and got their attention. Then they saw one chopper fell from sky, with a loud bang, and caught fire.

They thought it was some accident involving Pak Army chopper and started to walk towards the scene, OBL's compound. About that time the Pak Army's jeeps and personnel had also started arriving at the scene, encircled the area and were not letting people get any closer. In the meanwhile the other chopper had landed inside the OBL's compound, there was some gunshots heard from inside the compound. Then while the Pak Army had the area secured, the US SEALs team conducted their top security, highly sensitive and stealth mission. There was something going on inside the compound, though the US and Pak teams did not have a hostile stance.

This all happened within 30-40 mins and the other chopper flew off with whatever they came there for, or maybe not, in my scepticism.

The Pak Army had the area cordoned off and did whatever they had to do. There were no weapons found in the compound and they take about 8-9 people in safe custody who were present in the compound at that time.
One Pak renegade journalist, who claims to have inside contacts, is claiming that Pak Army's GHQ was being updated with all details and minute by minute progress of the operation by the personnel present at the scene. Most probably also video recordings. Pakistan claiming they knew noting about it is pure BS.

Those chaps only found out that the compound was raided by US teams and OBL arrested in the morning news!

Also, a rumour, that an old fashioned, non biometric, Pakistani ID card was found at the scene in the name of a guy "Arshad" and that is the same name on the land deed/property ownership of that compound.

Being a local, he also explained that the people who occupied that compound for past 4-5 years, was a man and his 2 wives and 3 children. The compound has very high walls, barbed wire on top and security cameras (which is unusual and would attract attention). People had hardly seen them or met them and were very reclusive, apart from some young guy who would take the kids to the local shop to buy sweets or play. There was also some kids who played with OBL's kids in that compound sometimes, which had some pet rabbits. (How cute.. Dr Laden stroking a pet rabbit with the evil plan to dominate the world)

Questions I ask is, how can no one noticed or remember seeing a 6'4" tall, lanky guy who might look something like OBL. This is a very affluent area and people are rather educated with fair bit of knowledge about world affairs. How no one ever noticed anything in those 4-5 years?

With PMA Kakul on the road, I am more than sure that ISI and Army would know exactly, within certain radius, who is living in the neighburhood, their whereabouts, identities and also some surveillance on their activities from time to time atleast. Again Pakistan saying they had no idea who was living in that compound is BS (atleast in my opinion).

The 2 women he was married to, did they know he was OBL? The women's relatives, friends, cousins etc. Did any of them knew he was OBL?
If OBL was living on his own, with his guards and henchmen, I can understand but living a family life in a suburb, with the biggest house with highest walls and barbed wire and security cameras.. I mean Hello??!!

Also, the worlds most wanted fugitive living in one place, settled as a family, for 4-5 years is pure stupidity! Mastermind?!!

Too many things which dont make sense. I shall remain sceptical. In my opinion, something went on in that compound between Pak Army, US team and whoever was living in that compound. Both parties (US & Pak) have some sensitive and incriminating pieces of evidence puzzle and are now playing Poker, expecting the other to show cards first.

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Too many things which dont make sense. I shall remain sceptical. In my opinion, something went on in that compound between Pak Army, US team and whoever ..........

ya know what Wasted.. in my humble opinion you are wasting too much time and energy on this...
OBL is dead with two taps to the head, his mortal body is now feeding the fishies in the Arabian Sea and his immortal soul is doing time in the 7th circle of Hades.

How it happened?, why it happened?, who was there? .....well.... I won't be losing sleep wondering.

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ya know what Wasted.. in my humble opinion you are wasting too much time and energy on this...
OBL is dead with two taps to the head, his mortal body is now feeding the fishies in the Arabian Sea and his immortal soul is doing time in the 7th ring of Hades.

How it happened?, why it happened?, who was there? .....well.... I won't be losing sleep wondering.
I know... But Im just bored and its only thrusday.
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Re: US gov. claiming Osama bin Laden killed.

Here from some very confidential sources.OBL is still alive and well.At this very moment he has a interview with Walter Cronkite,which will be aired on sat.evening .I have to tape the interview,because i will attend a concert with Elvis Presley,John Denver ,Johnny Chash,Jerry Lee Lewis and Peter Paul and Marie.
BTW; This same concert will be held in Zürich ,in august .If you interested tickets can be obtained true me .Just send Can.$480.76 plus tax into my bank account
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ya know what Wasted.. in my humble opinion you are wasting too much time and energy on this...
OBL is dead with two taps to the head, his mortal body is now feeding the fishies in the Arabian Sea and his immortal soul is doing time in the 7th ring of Hades.

How it happened?, why it happened?, who was there? .....well.... I won't be losing sleep wondering.
And since he is now "sleeping with the fishes..." ,maybe this is use to someone ???
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How it happened?, why it happened?, who was there? .....well.... I won't be losing sleep wondering.
The only thing that I can deduce from Wasted is that it's assumed that actually, most governments have full information on their citizens, fuelled by an army of informants who like to report absolutely anything remotely suspicious to their local army bases and government officials. If it looks like a government isn't doing as such, it's actually evidence that they are.
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Also, the worlds most wanted fugitive living in one place, settled as a family, for 4-5 years is pure stupidity!
I reckon it's more like pure genius.
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Here from some very confidential sources.OBL is still alive and well.At this very moment he has a interview with Walter Cronkite,which will be aired on sat.evening .I have to tape the interview,because i will attend a concert with Elvis Presley,John Denver ,Johnny Chash,Jerry Lee Lewis and Peter Paul and Marie.
BTW; This same concert will be held in Zürich ,in august .If you interested tickets can be obtained true me .Just send Can.$480.76 plus tax into my bank account


pffff..... JFK already got me backstage passes
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Everyone probaly knows that Pashosh and I are arch enemies.

However although hate and bitterness can make you sick and twisted, it can also be a very useful motivating force ( as long as it is properly channeled).

It is a perfectly healthy, normal feeling to have where crimes of humanity are concerned. It also acts as a powerful reminder- [I]lest we forget[/I.

I am sure that there are many on this forum who hate the way that the crowds cheered, who hate Bush, or hate racists etc.; perhaps those who tell Pashosh that he should not hate while they are allowed to.

I honestly don't believe that Pashosh is full of hate for Muslims, he is fearful and angry and perhaps he has a right to be. Who wouldn't as a jew. The problem is that in some ways the Muslims are being treated the same way that the Jews once were ( and in some cases still are) by the Europeans and so it goes on.....

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I reckon it's more like pure genius.
yep and in a few years time we will watch a fabulous movie about it all, in 3D, and we all will feel like we've been there ourselves.
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