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Ok, finally I managed to dig out someone who knows someone who was in Abbotabad on the night of the raid on OBL's compound and luckily he is a local there and lives on the same road, within walking distance, from OBL's compound and PMA Kakul.

That night he was sitting outisde his house with friends and they saw 2 military choppers flying in, it was dark so could not exactly identify. Nothing unusual in the area military choppers do land and take off from PMA compound. But these 2 choppers went towards OBL's compound and were hovering over it for few mins, which was NOT usual and got their attention. Then they saw one chopper fell from sky, with a loud bang, and caught fire.

They thought it was some accident involving Pak Army chopper and started to walk towards the scene, OBL's compound. About that time the Pak Army's jeeps and personnel had also started arriving at the scene, encircled the area and were not letting people get any closer. In the meanwhile the other chopper had landed inside the OBL's compound, there was some gunshots heard from inside the compound. Then while the Pak Army had the area secured, the US SEALs team conducted their top security, highly sensitive and stealth mission. There was something going on inside the compound, though the US and Pak teams did not have a hostile stance.

This all happened within 30-40 mins and the other chopper flew off with whatever they came there for, or maybe not, in my scepticism.

The Pak Army had the area cordoned off and did whatever they had to do. There were no weapons found in the compound and they take about 8-9 people in safe custody who were present in the compound at that time.
One Pak renegade journalist, who claims to have inside contacts, is claiming that Pak Army's GHQ was being updated with all details and minute by minute progress of the operation by the personnel present at the scene. Most probably also video recordings. Pakistan claiming they knew noting about it is pure BS.

Those chaps only found out that the compound was raided by US teams and OBL arrested in the morning news!

Also, a rumour, that an old fashioned, non biometric, Pakistani ID card was found at the scene in the name of a guy "Arshad" and that is the same name on the land deed/property ownership of that compound.

Being a local, he also explained that the people who occupied that compound for past 4-5 years, was a man and his 2 wives and 3 children. The compound has very high walls, barbed wire on top and security cameras (which is unusual and would attract attention). People had hardly seen them or met them and were very reclusive, apart from some young guy who would take the kids to the local shop to buy sweets or play. There was also some kids who played with OBL's kids in that compound sometimes, which had some pet rabbits. (How cute.. Dr Laden stroking a pet rabbit with the evil plan to dominate the world)

Questions I ask is, how can no one noticed or remember seeing a 6'4" tall, lanky guy who might look something like OBL. This is a very affluent area and people are rather educated with fair bit of knowledge about world affairs. How no one ever noticed anything in those 4-5 years?

With PMA Kakul on the road, I am more than sure that ISI and Army would know exactly, within certain radius, who is living in the neighburhood, their whereabouts, identities and also some surveillance on their activities from time to time atleast. Again Pakistan saying they had no idea who was living in that compound is BS (atleast in my opinion).

The 2 women he was married to, did they know he was OBL? The women's relatives, friends, cousins etc. Did any of them knew he was OBL?
If OBL was living on his own, with his guards and henchmen, I can understand but living a family life in a suburb, with the biggest house with highest walls and barbed wire and security cameras.. I mean Hello??!!

Also, the worlds most wanted fugitive living in one place, settled as a family, for 4-5 years is pure stupidity! Mastermind?!!

Too many things which dont make sense. I shall remain sceptical. In my opinion, something went on in that compound between Pak Army, US team and whoever was living in that compound. Both parties (US & Pak) have some sensitive and incriminating pieces of evidence puzzle and are now playing Poker, expecting the other to show cards first.

Just like Charlie Frost from movie 2012, Remember you heard first from Wasted on ED
You give either info you yourself add as rumors, or these "how can people not know???" It happens...Austrian builds a tunnel and locks daughter in basement, while stocking it with food almost daily. Smart girl is kidnapped, there is a state and nationwide man hut, and she is actually walking up and down the streets with her captor in a near by town, my neighbor goes on a serial killing spree, and noted as the first woman convicted and executed as a serial killer, as seen in the move Monster, and trust me, we never thought that was possible.

Why is it so awe inspiring that the guy chose to hide out where he thought we would least expect it. I mean, isn't he a descendant of one of the people who built the Haj in Mecca? He has a bit of money. The cave dwelling thing only goes so far when you are born into that.

And, clearly it worked as no one knew where he was for all this time, so much to the extent we had every Tom, Dick, and GI Joe, scouring the whole of the west of Pakistan for the last ten years.

Yeah I do think that the Pakistani military base, I heard it was more a training camp like Westpoint, might not be working as an investigative unit specialized in the search for BNL. Just, coincidental. I think they have a word for a situation that is a coincidence, and that is coincidence.

AND, I don't care. It's not like Pakistan was one of our more trusted allies pre 9/11. We are only friends because this attack happened and we gave them cash to be there. It's like trying to date a hot chick that shows no interest in me until I win at the casino and have need to stash my cash some where. She might not ever spend the kind of quality time I was looking for with me, but she'll definitely give me a good look or two, and act like she cares.
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Old 05.05.2011, 20:41
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Re: US gov. claiming Osama bin Laden killed.

Some new stuff here, I haven't read this much detail about the logistics before:

http://www.popsci.com/node/53851/?cmpid=enews050511
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Interesting read
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Old 05.05.2011, 21:49
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So OBL is more dangerous dead than alive? I think not
Ever heard of Jesus ? How many people killed in his name post mortem ?

Wasn't he an enemy of the State killed by government troops ?
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Ever heard of Jesus ? How many people killed in his name post mortem ?

Wasn't he an enemy of the State killed by government troops ?
Jesus? You mean the prophet who is quoted in the Koran?
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Jesus? You mean the prophet who is quoted in the Koran?
...and in the Daily Mail. Yes, my question / analogy still stands.
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Old 05.05.2011, 22:25
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Ever heard of Jesus ? How many people presumed to kill in his name post mortem ?
Fixed that for you.

Not a very compelling analogy IMHO, since one would be hard-pressed to find a basis in his teaching for actually killing "in his name" at all -- let alone in retaliation for his death. And his "post-mortem" lasted less than three full days (remember Easter?).

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Wasn't he an enemy of the State killed by government troops ?
The state found no fault in him but acquiesced to the demands of angry religious leaders (see Matthew 27, Luke 23, etc.).
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The state found no fault in him but acquiesced to the demands of angry religious leaders (see Matthew 27, Luke 23, etc.).
President Bush. ?
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Fixed that for you.

Not a very compelling analogy IMHO, since one would be hard-pressed to find a basis in his teaching for actually killing "in his name" at all -- let alone in retaliation for his death.
So the Bible hasn't been misinterpreted and millions killed in the name of Christianity ?

Post Mortem = After Death. Not too sure about your three day reference.
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Because hate will make you bitter, angry, and ugly and will only hurt you in the end.
The signs are showing already mate. I only say this because I care.
Here, again, history & experience proves you wrong.

When encountering Evil, hate is a logical response. OBL was evil, Al Quada is evil - they are responsible for numerous deaths, their ideology is enslavement.

If we don't hate Evil, we accept it - thus becoming partners in it.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (today it would have good men & women...)
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Here, again, history & experience proves you wrong.

When encountering Evil, hate is a logical response. OBL was evil, Al Quada is evil - they are responsible for numerous deaths, their ideology is enslavement.

If we don't hate Evil, we accept it - thus becoming partners in it.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (today it would have good men & women...)
Hate is not a logical response. Hate is an emotion. When you hate someone, logic and rationale have left you and you succumb to an illogical response.

If you hate evil, you succumb to it. Evil lives in thoughts and deeds. Hating is a deed, hate is a thought. Clear your mind, clean your mind, break free from hate and liberate your thoughts.

You are wrong on all counts.

Your mind has succumbed to hate and hating, your judgement is clouded, you can no longer make a rational decision or continue with clear thought.

I now understand all your singular posts.
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So what are your feelings towards OBL ?
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So what are your feelings towards OBL ?
Yet again you dodge the issue and try and side track.


One man's terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
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Yet again you dodge the issue and try and side track.


One man's terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.
OBL was freedom fighter. An opinion held by many.

for example : Hamas, Muslim brotherhood.

good to know where you stand.
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good to know where you stand.

Sure you do, add me to your hate list. It will make you feel better.
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So what are your feelings towards OBL ?
Now that he is dead,good
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Sure you do, add me to your hate list. It will make you feel better.
Thanks but no.

I will contirbute to your airfare to Afghanistan, though.
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Why am I getting, more and more, this feeling that either this was an jumbled up operation or US was framed into it.
cause of that stuff you been smokin' ?
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Old 06.05.2011, 00:09
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Thanks but no.

I will contirbute to your airfare to Afghanistan, though.
Now that your dodge has reached a humourless dead end. Let's take a step back in this thread. Justify your claim that hate is logical response.
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Now that your dodge has reached a humourless dead end. Let's take a step back in this thread. Justify your claim that hate is logical response.
Go fight for freedom (learn some manners while you at it), then we'll talk.
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