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Old 06.05.2011, 13:08
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I would like weejeem to comment on this.
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Go fight for freedom (learn some manners while you at it), then we'll talk.
This is what the Palestinians do
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Indeed. He was a very naughty boy.
I sill would like to know , how he turned water into wine
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I sill would like to know , how he turned water into wine
Try working in some bar. Some of them still practice that art.
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I would like weejeem to comment on this.

Do you not think it strange that Weejeem goes missing and then the US claim to have shot OBL ?

Just sayin'...
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Old 06.05.2011, 15:09
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In what way is anything on this thread relevant to any of us in Switzerland?

Is there a single member of this forum who has any kind of influence over any of these events?

Whether we're talking about Pakistani geopolitics, fancy helicopters or the ethics of burial at sea, it's all just so much farting in the wind.

Then again, they do say better out than in...
Of course Switzerland is involved- go ask the Tinner family! The Swiss embassy is the choice negotiation channel.





http://www.isis-online.org/uploads/i..._21Dec2010.pdf

Al Qaeda have confirmed bin Laden's death.

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Re: US gov. claiming Osama bin Laden killed.

England = Royal wedding. USA= Bin Laden dead. We win again!
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Re: US gov. claiming Osama bin Laden killed.

Have anyone heard of Musab Zarqawi? He was killed in an American air strike.
US marked his death as a "big" victory against terrorism. How come his corpse wasn't treated according to islamic tradition? Photos of his dead body were filling our TV screens showed by many national and international news channels and news papers.
How come US is so "stubborn" and not wiling to show Osama's dead body? It can not be more gruesome than the fake one circling around.
Everything about Tim Osman's - oops i meant Osama's - death is shrouded in mystery.

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I shall quote bible for you...
The cited passage (accurately) describes (as has already been observed) the stark division between those who follow Christ's teaching and those who don't (even if they claim to be "Christian"). Note, please, that he says nothing at all about killing in his name.

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Wishful thinking. A head in the sand defense of Christianity. A fluffeh defense of the indefensible. Please re-read up on European History.
There's nothing head-in-the-sand about insisting that Christ be the measure of what is truly "Christian" -- notwithstanding popularized caricatures and the arbitrarily applied labels of self-styled history experts. Please re-read up on the teachings of Christ (unless you prefer the head-in-the-sand approach of defining "Christian" without reference to the person and teachings Christ himself).

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Crusades, anyone?...

I think your take on it is rather pedantic...
Again, I don't think there's anything "pedantic" about letting Christ define what is truly Christian conduct and character. In fact, insisting on the substitution of simplistic caricatures and popularized notions that contradict his teaching as a whole seems intellectually lazy (not unlike defining "Swiss" by means of Volvos and fjords). The fact that self-styled "Christians" perpetrated things like the crusades doesn't ipso facto render their actions somehow "Christian" (not by Christ's definition, anyway).

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...don't forget, the bible does say "an eye for an eye" and other such things...
Nothing like a crumb of "bible knowledge" (used entirely out of context) to prove one's prowess...
"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also..." -- Jesus Christ (Matthew 5:38-39, emphasis added)
And from the same passage...
"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you... For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?..." -- Jesus Christ (Matthew 5:43-46, emphasis added)
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Re: US gov. claiming Osama bin Laden killed.

@ Texaner

How about this verse?

"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." Luke 19:27
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@ Texaner

How about this verse?

"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." Luke 19:27
You might want to google "parable", old chap.
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Re: US gov. claiming Osama bin Laden killed.

Texaner, even if not written explicitly in the bible, there is no denying that people have killed in the name of all kinds of gods, including christ.
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Old 06.05.2011, 17:53
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Texaner, even if not written explicitly in the bible, there is no denying that people have killed in the name of all kinds of gods, including christ.
And what did Christ say about that?...
"Why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?" — Jesus Christ (Luke 6:46)

"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you who practice lawlessness.'" — Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:21-23, emphasis added)
So professing to do something "in his name" doesn't make it so, except in the minds of those gullible enough to listen to them instead of going to the source.
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And what did Christ say about that?...
"Why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?" — Jesus Christ (Luke 6:46)

"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you who practice lawlessness.'" — Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:21-23, emphasis added)
So professing to do something "in his name" doesn't make it so, except in the minds of those gullible enough to listen to them instead of going to the source.
I truly hope you are not calling me gullible.

I am talking about the actions of human beings, verified and true, who have said they are killing in the name of christ. You are twisting this so much and warping it into a bible quoting session. This isn't what the bible says, it is about what man does with the bible.

Men (and women) have killed in the name of their chosen deity. Full stop. End of story. Whether the deity liked it or not.
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And what did Christ say about that?...
"Why do you call Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?" — Jesus Christ (Luke 6:46)

"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you who practice lawlessness.'" — Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:21-23, emphasis added)
So professing to do something "in his name" doesn't make it so, except in the minds of those gullible enough to listen to them instead of going to the source.

Did jesus write all that?
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Men (and women) have killed in the name of their chosen deity. Full stop. End of story. Whether the deity liked it or not.
I think the argument here is not, whether people have killed in the names of dieties but that, if the diety is responsible for those individuals actions.

e.g. Someone can go an kill or comitt a crime in your name, would you take responsibility for that?
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And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you who practice lawlessness.'" — Jesus Christ (Matthew 7:21-23, emphasis added)
Isn't that a bit hypocritical, wasn't Jesus supposed to be a bit of an outlaw?
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e.g. Someone can go an kill or comitt a crime in your name, would you take responsibility for that?
Well, from what I was reading the other day, gods are moral(or above morality, can't remember) by definition, so they can command people to do immoral things, but they wouldn't be immoral, because the gods commanded it.

So just watch out for people who say they talk to Jesus all the time, you never know what he'll say back.
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Well, from what I was reading the other day, gods are moral(or above morality, can't remember) by definition, so they can command people to do immoral things, but they wouldn't be immoral, because the gods commanded it.

So just watch out for people who say they talk to Jesus all the time, you never know what he'll say back.
Maybe try changing your reading list to get other perspectives?
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I truly hope you are not calling me gullible.
Only if the shoe fits.

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...I am talking about the actions of human beings, verified and true, who have said they are killing in the name of christ...
The term "in the name of" isn't just a label to be arbitrarily slapped on anything at will, nor believed without corroboration. "In the name of the law" means the law authorizes and corroborates the demand being made. "In the name of the king" means the king has authorized and supports whatever action is being taken. Likewise, "in the name of Christ" explicitly means that the deed carries Christ's consent, that it comports with his teaching and character. A claim that one is acting "in the name of Christ," when the deed is in complete contradiction to the teaching and character of Christ, is a false claim, no matter how loudly or repeatedly it is made, or by whom. If you want to leave the bible out of the discussion, then you are insisting on defining what qualifies for being "in the name of" Christ while deliberately excluding the very writings that should form the basis for such a qualification.

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Did jesus write all that?
He said it, and his hearers subsequently recorded it.
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