US gov. claiming Osama bin Laden killed. - Page 32

Ouchboy · #**621** 06.05.2011, 17:14

	Quote:	Texaner
	He said it, and his hearers subsequently recorded it.

Did they actually heard it?

Luke 1:2 collects from other witnesses who handed it down to us( whomever the writer is).

#**622** 06.05.2011, 17:15

	Quote:	Texaner
	The cited passage (accurately) describes (as has already been observed) the stark division between those who follow Christ's teaching and those who don't (even if they claim to be "Christian"). Note, please, that he says nothing at all about killing in his name. There's nothing head-in-the-sand about insisting that Christ be the measure of what is truly "Christian" -- notwithstanding popularized caricatures and the arbitrarily applied labels of self-styled history experts. Please re-read up on the teachings of Christ (unless you prefer the head-in-the-sand approach of defining "Christian" without reference to the person and teachings Christ himself). Again, I don't think there's anything "pedantic" about letting Christ define what is truly Christian conduct and character. In fact, insisting on the substitution of simplistic caricatures and popularized notions that contradict his teaching as a whole seems intellectually lazy (not unlike defining "Swiss" by means of Volvos and fjords). The fact that self-styled "Christians" perpetrated things like the crusades doesn't ipso facto render their actions somehow "Christian" (not by Christ's definition, anyway). Nothing like a crumb of "bible knowledge" (used entirely out of context) to prove one's prowess... "You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also..." -- Jesus Christ (Matthew 5:38-39, emphasis added) And from the same passage... "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you... For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?..." -- Jesus Christ (Matthew 5:43-46, emphasis added)

I am neither a Christian or a Moslem (or a believer in any God) but the above shows so well how one group can 'hijack' a religious belief to their own evil end- like the Crusaders, or religious terrorists of today. Also shows so well how stereotypes are built and misused. Thanks.

Assassin · #**623** 06.05.2011, 17:15

Um, mods? Mods? Where art thou in the midst of our hour of need? This thread is so off balance and headed into religion that all it needs is an Israeli cue and we'll all be back at square one (again....)......

#**624** 06.05.2011, 17:18

Are you saying that religion has nothing to do with either Al kai da or right wing extremism in the US (or elsewhere?).

evilshell · #**625** 06.05.2011, 17:19

	Quote:	Texaner
	Only if the shoe fits.

I won't ask for your shoe size then.

	Quote:	Texaner
	The term "in the name of" isn't just a label to be arbitrarily slapped on anything at will, nor believed without corroboration. "In the name of the law" means the law authorizes and corroborates the demand being made. "In the name of the king" means the king has authorized and supports whatever action is being taken. Likewise, "in the name of Christ" explicitly means that the deed carries Christ's consent, that it comports with his teaching and character. A claim that one is acting "in the name of Christ," when the deed is in complete contradiction to the teaching and character of Christ, is a false claim, no matter how loudly or repeatedly it is made, or by whom. If you want to leave the bible out of the discussion, then you are insisting on defining what qualifies for being "in the name of" Christ while deliberately excluding the very writings that should form the basis for such a qualification. He said it, and his hearers subsequently recorded it.

This is so far off topic it isn't funny. But I submit you're wrong.

cyrus · #**626** 06.05.2011, 17:19

	Quote:	Wasted
	Maybe try changing your reading list to get other perspectives?

It was from a christian arguing why it was OK for god to order his followers to commit genocide in the bible.

Assassin · #**627** 06.05.2011, 17:22

	Quote:
	Are you saying that religion has nothing to do with either Al kai da or right wing extremism in the US (or elsewhere?).

Er, I'm not saying anything with regards to that; this thread is just so off track it's painful. There are so many newsworthy and relevant issues with the events in Pakistan and OBL this week and I just don't think religious brownie points (one way or the other) bring any new angles on the subject at hand.

Ouchboy · #**628** 06.05.2011, 17:27

please divert!

jrspet · #**629** 06.05.2011, 17:29

16 pages and 629 posts - going by the last page, I think this thread has now run its course.

Thread is now closed....

MusicChick · #**630** 06.05.2011, 17:30

Yup. And it is weekend. Anyone any food shopping to do?
Loads of interesting point, loads of noise.