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Old 03.05.2011, 13:31
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What never seems to come up is the opinion of the Falklanders. If we are going tit for tat on who got there first, hmmm well Argentina as a country didn't even exist then did it? How far back do we want to go...do the USA want to "give back" New Mexico?
And for being a country that only exists as a country because of past colonialism and imperialism, I think the pot is calling the kettle black when they're accusing the British of colonialism.
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Re: Royal couple face separation if Prince William deploys to Falklands

Memories, watching the Para`s beating the Marines to Port Stanley after giving the Argies a good spanking reminded me of the Coe and Ovett era, great to be British. Proud of our Armed Forces and Wills and Harry.
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Old 03.05.2011, 13:39
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...I go back to my original point. What purpose does it serve to make the provactive gesture of posting Prince William to the Falklands?...
None at all. Because the British, so far as I can tell, don't view it as a provocative gesture, or imbue it with any significance. While the Falklands might be a big deal in South America, among politicians who think it will improve their popularity, outside of the Falklands, most British people couldn't give a toss.

What is inferred isn't necessarily what is implied.
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Old 03.05.2011, 13:39
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I go back to my original point. What purpose does it serve to make the provactive gesture of posting Prince William to the Falklands?

And put aside rights, wrongs, national pride, and all other points, take a big step back from the detail and answer for me please what the UK's net gain from this posting would be? I can't help but see the balance to be weighted to the downside.
What's more provocative by at least an order of magnitude?
Posting the prince or continuing to claim sovereignty and all the attendant benefits? Do you seriously believe anyone will care if the prince gets posted there or not? Why, exactly, would it be provocative? What exactly is the down side? The UK obviously isn't going to get US 'support' (again, who cares anyway) for anything regarding offshore claims in the UN so there's nothing lost there. The only other people who might care are the people who don't own it and you have failed to explain why they would care. Adults are not distracted by minutiae.
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Old 03.05.2011, 13:45
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Just Google and you can find lots of info including......

I go back to my original point. What purpose does it serve to make the provactive gesture of posting Prince William to the Falklands?

And put aside rights, wrongs, national pride, and all other points, take a big step back from the detail and answer for me please what the UK's net gain from this posting would be? I can't help but see the balance to be weighted to the downside.
You don't get it do you? It's a non story. The fact he's a Prince and the future King of England is an aside. At the moment he's a serviceman, and he's got to go somewhere. The UK are not sabre rattling at all. It is not provocative.

The fact he may go to a sleepy backwater and not where the action is is probably more of a story.

Argentina have had 30 years to get the Falklands back, and it just isn't going to happen.
The rightful owners of the Falklands are the Falklanders themselves.
The British are there by invitation.
Argentina gaining ownership would be an occupation.
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I think some of the responders to my original post have misinterpreted my criticism - it is not directed at Prince William as I am well aware he is not the decision maker in this one. My criticism is directed at the misguided foolishness of whoever would make the decision to deploy him to the Falklands. It would be a wholly unnecessary and potentially very damaging "F U" to the Argentines and would benefit nobody - apart from providing potentially a brief burst of patriotic pride for readers of tabloids.

I am simply saying "Why pick at old wounds?" It is certainly not worth risking the UK's claim to the oil reserves down their to prove some sort of point. As far as ill-equipped goes I am thinking of the fact that in '82 the UK armed forces were not heavily engaged in the Middle East.
I think the confusion might be coming from your choice of thread title - "Royal couple face separation if Prince William deploys to Falklands" as a topic heading suggests that your concern stems from the fact that it's a terrible thing that they should be separated, rather than that it's a political faux pas for the MoD to send a prominent Royal to the Falklands on the 30th anniversary of the conflict.

Personally, I see where you're coming from to a degree, but I do disagree with the latter point as well - I think that MoD deployment should be primarily based on the requirements for service personnel in a particular location, not on the political sensitivites of a nearby government.
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Re: Royal couple face separation if Prince William deploys to Falklands

OK - one last time I will state that I see no positive outcome for the UK were Prince William to be posted to the Falklands. There may however be a negative outcome. On balance if it were my call I would not post him there. National egos can be every bit as fragile as individual egos, and often rather more strong - no sense in going and rubbing it in. Britain is not a great colonial power anymore and should not bother acting like one. Regardless of the great British public's awareness of or appreciation for the Falkland islands, people in certain other countries will not view the move very favourably. Several leading South American politicians have voice opposition to Britain's claim to the Falklands, even Obama will not support it, the Argentine foreign minister spoke out against the rumoured deployment of William there 2 years ago - the evidence is all there I am not making it up!

It strikes me as unintelligent to add fuel to any potential fire down there. The over-riding reason why the Falklands matter is oil. That is why foreign powers have intervened in Iraq and Libya (in the name of humanitarian relief or whatever other shield) whilst leaving people in Zimbabwe, Burma, Congo....many other troubled countries... all alone to face their cruel fates.

I can't really say anymore, remain surprised no-one else (on this forum anyway) shares my view and will simply say time will tell.
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Re: Royal couple face separation if Prince William deploys to Falklands

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On a Saturday night Anglesey is probably more dangerous than the Falklands.
Haha it is! I've got experience of both, but only if you call it Anglesey and not Ynys Mon
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Old 03.05.2011, 14:01
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I can't really say anymore, remain surprised no-one else (on this forum anyway) shares my view and will simply say time will tell.
That's because you are wrong and are seeing an issue which doesn't exist.

Prince William is one of the most popular men in the world currently, it can only bring positive publicity for the UK.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...Falklands.html

After enjoying watching Britain going back to doing what it does best last week I truly hope that this story does not turn out to be true. It would undermine all the good vibes built during the royal wedding for the country to be so arrogant as to deploy William to the Falklands during the 30 year anniversary of the conflict. It would be the diplomatic equivalent of inviting the Argentines to war - only this time I believe the British armed forces are rather less well equipped. Not that I've failed to be astonished by the arrogance of the Ministry of Defence in the past.
I am sure there are several of William's subjects who have been deployed to the Falklands even though THEY have just married. I think they will feel better that their future king shares their hardships.
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