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Well !Ask the People of Northern Ireland (Ulster)them self.My wifes answer is "NO"
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Re: Give Northern Ireland back to Ireland

Alternatively, give the whole of Ireland back to England.
Equally as contentious and equally as absurd.
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It might work.

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I thought most of the settlers were Scottish?
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Re: Give Northern Ireland back to Ireland

I suggest the best thing you can do is post a sincere apology in the memory of all those people who have died ,been maimed ,imprisoned etc in the name of the conflicts in Northern Ireland.
It has taken so much sacrifice and effort to find peace there that such a glib ignorant and ill thought out OP looking for a cheap wind up of brits and to that matter Irish people everywhere hiding it actually quite cynically in International Affairs, is quite nauseating.
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Old 03.05.2011, 18:00
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It's just jealousy because the Swiss never got further than the edge of their cow-pat sized country.
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The Protestant English settlers should either come back to England or exchange their passport for a proper Irish one.
Like those with English names. This would mean Gerry Adams would have repatriate back to England...
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Old 03.05.2011, 18:17
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Re: Give Northern Ireland back to Ireland

This is a matter that spans over 3 centuries of history - from the House of Orange, to the Restoration, to the Jacobites and Charles Edward Stuart (Bonnie Prince Charlie), and now founded on religious tensions (fortunately less now, than there has been for decades, if outward appearances are to indicate realistically).

It's not just a case of undoing existing frontiers, or drawing new boundaries on a whim, as you have suggested - the peoples don't exist in such neat boxes.

I suggest that you go away and learn up on the history of a subject, before making another glib statement, meant to antagonise just for the hell of it .....and try not to exhibit so many sour grapes against an English speaking ex-pat community, (of which many are not of UK origin) now you're back on home soil, just because you had a bad 4 years with a few fat northern birds who enjoyed eating Walkers crisps lying on their backs, in between swilling back the ale.

[look .... you got me at it now, with my stereotyping]
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The Protestant English settlers should either come back to England or exchange their passport for a proper Irish one.
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Like those with English names. This would mean Gerry Adams would have repatriate back to England...
Again chaps, no need for any of this.

Anybody born in Northern Ireland can obtain an Irish Passport if they have a British parent who has unrestricted residency in Northern Ireland. No need to exchange the British passport. You can keep both the UK and Irish ones and enjoy dual citizenship. Quite a few of my relatives have done this. I assume this is how Gerry Adams is able to run in the Republic of Ireland elections.
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Re: Give Northern Ireland back to Ireland

Have had to rewrite this due to my net going down, it's slightly less well though out as honestly I can't be bothered to do it again but the general jist is below:


I can't believe some of the reactions in this thread. This is a topic that regularly comes up on Irish forums and an issue that Sinn Fein are currently trying to put to a referendum (not that they will succeed, nothing more than political manoeuvring ) so it can be a valid question if meant as more than just trolling.

One reason against it is financial. The last time I investigated it, the north was costing the UK a small fortune to run (though costs may have dropped with the drop in para military activity). Ireland, currently (and perhaps even during the Celtic Tiger years), just could not afford the north.

A second very important reason is that the majority of people in the south and the north are against the idea in general. There has never existed a united Ireland so it's not a case of giving the north back but rather of creating something that never existed before.

There has been some suggestions in this thread that the very idea is offensive to those who fought, died or were imprisoned with the goal of peace in the north (by whatever means each person thought was the way forward) but there are plenty who would be offended by the idea of ignoring this subject and not discussing it after they fought, died and/or were imprisoned for their various causes.

Personally I have no interest in the north to join the republic, as far as I can see it would cause only problems. It may happen one day but I find it highly unlikely. Infact I think a united states of Europe is much more likely to occur before which will probably render the subject null and void.
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Have had to rewrite this due to my net going down, it's slightly less well though out as honestly I can't be bothered to do it again but the general jist is below:


I can't believe some of the reactions in this thread. This is a topic that regularly comes up on Irish forums and an issue that Sinn Fein are currently trying to put to a referendum (not that they will succeed, nothing more than political manoeuvring ) so it can be a valid question if meant as more than just trolling.

One reason against it is financial. The last time I investigated it, the north was costing the UK a small fortune to run (though costs may have dropped with the drop in para military activity). Ireland, currently (and perhaps even during the Celtic Tiger years), just could not afford the north.

A second very important reason is that the majority of people in the south and the north are against the idea in general. There has never existed a united Ireland so it's not a case of giving the north back but rather of creating something that never existed before.

There has been some suggestions in this thread that the very idea is offensive to those who fought, died or were imprisoned with the goal of peace in the north (by whatever means each person thought was the way forward) but there are plenty who would be offended by the idea of ignoring this subject and not discussing it after they fought, died and/or were imprisoned for their various causes.

Personally I have no interest in the north to join the republic, as far as I can see it would cause only problems. It may happen one day but I find it highly unlikely. Infact I think a united states of Europe is much more likely to occur before which will probably render the subject null and void.
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This was the question at my Oxford University interview. They mentioned East Timor as an example "what should be done with it" and then they asked how far should that extend and why? What happens when there are no 1948 era Palestinians still alive, should the right of return still apply? If so, then should the USA be given back to the "native Americans" even though as it stands they're far outnumbered. Of course there isn't meant to be a right answer to this, but it can make for an interesting discussion.
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Re: Give Northern Ireland back to Ireland

I think this is a very good point. it would cut the tax burden!
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What if N. Ireland was split into two and one half allowed to join Ireland?
Why not split in eight and give everyone a bit!!
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I think this is a very good point. it would cut the tax burden!
Evidently not very much though!
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I can't believe some of the reactions in this thread. This is a topic that regularly comes up on Irish forums and an issue that Sinn Fein are currently trying to put to a referendum... so it can be a valid question if meant as more than just trolling.
How can it be a valid question? The question of changes to the constitutional status and sovereignty of Northern Ireland was dealt with in the Good Friday Agreement. This was ratified by the peoples of Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland in referendums in 1998.

The vote in favor of the Good Friday Agreement wasn't even marginal:
- In Northern Ireland over 70% voted in favor. Turnout was over 80% - a massive turnout for an election.
- In the Republic turnout was 55% but 95% of those who did vote cast their ballots in favour.

The people have spoken - at least the only people who count. Now what is the question?
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Why does England not give back Northern Ireland to Ireland? The Protestant English settlers should either come back to England or exchange their passport for a proper Irish one.
Democracy is a real bugger eh ? I think the question has been asked of the population and answered. Hey, hang on a minute , are you confusing religion with Politics there ?
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