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Old 20.07.2015, 15:35
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Re: Greece discussing leaving the Euro Zone (Spiegel Online)

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Do you think the Happy-Hippie-Land that Colorado is today, with lots of small growers fueling the local economy, is sustainable?
Soon, drug cartels will move into that business the same way Walmart has killed most mom-and-pop shops.
I've heard that lots of small entrepreneurs with no real knowledge are moving in and trying to capitalize on the legalization. Heavens knows how many business decisons are even being made "under influence" of their own products. There is a spate of bankrupcies waiting to happen. The winners will be big banks and corporations.

The USA abolished prohibition in 1933 and what they got was the likes of Coors and Bud. It took them the best part of 70 years to work out how to brew proper beers, although in all fairness thanks to the microbrews and IPAs they're doing some serious catching up.
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Old 20.07.2015, 15:45
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Do you think the Happy-Hippie-Land that Colorado is today, with lots of small growers fueling the local economy, is sustainable?
Soon, drug cartels will move into that business the same way Walmart has killed most mom-and-pop shops.
Yes
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Old 20.07.2015, 15:48
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Not very many small and independent tobacco producers these days?

Why should pot develop any differently.

I'd be surprised if the likes of Monsanto haven't already got a plan.
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Old 20.07.2015, 16:05
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Re: Greece discussing leaving the Euro Zone (Spiegel Online)

What is interesting coming out of Colorado is the innovation. Less and less people I know smoke pot anymore. They vaporise it, or eat in edibles such as candy or cookies. The ones who develop Intellectual Property in growing, processing and packaging products should be able to withstand an onslaught by corporate agriculture, or at least maximise their value before selling their business.

Anyone care to try a new kind of tootsie roll?
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Old 20.07.2015, 18:58
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Re: Greece discussing leaving the Euro Zone (Spiegel Online)

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I've heard that lots of small entrepreneurs with no real knowledge are moving in and trying to capitalize on the legalization. Heavens knows how many business decisons are even being made "under influence" of their own products. There is a spate of bankrupcies waiting to happen. The winners will be big banks and corporations.

The USA abolished prohibition in 1933 and what they got was the likes of Coors and Bud. It took them the best part of 70 years to work out how to brew proper beers, although in all fairness thanks to the microbrews and IPAs they're doing some serious catching up.
I do miss a good IPA. Hopefully Stone finishes that brewery in Berlin soon.
The quality of pot in Colorado (both recreational and medical products, including products that are not psychoactive and safe for children) are already "pretty high" and will continue to improve with new legislation regarding oil extraction procedures. Large corporations will come in and serve up plonk joints or the cheap stuff. Quality, organic and local grown will survive because that is the attitude of most Coloradians. They would absolutly shun any Monsanto weeds.
So yes, happy hippy times will endure.
Now as far as the medical products are concerned I see big pharm taking over that segment. They are the only ones who can ensure consistency and quality through lab testing. Most small producers don't have that kind of RnD and QC to compete. In fact GW Pharm is already well underway.
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This is an interesting tact. Maybe Greece could fully liberalise its economy and go ghetto if it has to. They could liberalise drugs, trade, taxes, finance and intellectual property laws to freak the hell of out Germany. Then demand full access to the European markets. Go guerrilla economics. That could get some attention.
They already have that.
Anyway, nice apology for neoliberalism.
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Old 24.11.2015, 22:08
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Re: Greece discussing leaving the Euro Zone (Spiegel Online)

Looks like Syriza's honeymoon is over: http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ears-anarchism
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Re: Greece discussing leaving the Euro Zone (Spiegel Online)

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Looks like Syriza's honeymoon is over: http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ears-anarchism
It was about time.
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Re: Financial Crisis Bank News [was: How Safe is UBS?]

IMF admits disastrous love affair with euro, apologizes for immolating Greece

The Telegraph

What a shambles the West has turned into.
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Old 29.07.2016, 13:36
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Re: Greece discussing leaving the Euro Zone (Spiegel Online)

Whilst we were in Greece, earlier this month, there were lots of rumblings about reintroducing the Drachma but staying in the EU, not quite at the volume they were in the run up to the referendum though.


An entire year after the €60 per day 'temporary' capital control measures were introduced in Greece, they still exist with the limit raised to €500 per week. This makes it very difficult for small businesses to pay suppliers, and for consumers to make larger domestic purchases. My OH bought his mum a new fridge freezer whilst we were in Athens, and the shop salesmen were relieved to see a Swiss credit card presented because so many transactions for larger amounts aren't honoured by the banks. The delivery date suddenly went from next week to next day.
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Re: Greece discussing leaving the Euro Zone (Spiegel Online)

The above statement is not true. It's very easy to buy whatever you want in Greece as long as you have money to pay for it. Bank debit or direct deposit there is no limit on purchases. All Greek bank cards work fine for transactions inside the country. What is more difficult is transferring large amount of money outside the country, that's all.
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Old 29.07.2016, 14:44
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The above statement is not true. It's very easy to buy whatever you want in Greece as long as you have money to pay for it. Bank debit or direct deposit there is no limit on purchases. All Greek bank cards work fine for transactions inside the country. What is more difficult is transferring large amount of money outside the country, that's all.
It may not be true in your experience, but it is true in the experience of many family and friends of ours, and local businessmen we know.
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It may not be true in your experience, but it is true in the experience of many family and friends of ours, and local businessmen we know.
If they do have financial problems as a result of the crisis is a different thing that telling that a Swiss bank card is superior to a Greek bank card. As long as Greek banks are connected to the euro banking system everything worked and works smoothly. Greek banks are cheaper as well to hold accounts. I spend lots of time in Greece and I never had an issue with purchases. I bought laptops, clothes, and even a brand new BMW. All under the capital controls regime. Everything went smoothly. To my knowledge nobody had a transaction declined if paying via debit card or direct deposit.
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Old 29.07.2016, 15:04
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Re: Greece discussing leaving the Euro Zone (Spiegel Online)

wantone is right.

The only technical problem in Greece is getting cash.
If you can work without it in either side of a transaction you're fine.
If you can't, you used to be screwed but now it's kinda better.
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Old 29.07.2016, 15:26
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Re: Greece discussing leaving the Euro Zone (Spiegel Online)

Is this because of collection of and charging of sales tax ??
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Old 29.07.2016, 15:30
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Re: Greece discussing leaving the Euro Zone (Spiegel Online)

No it's because people don't have cash because withdrawals have limits.

Businesses like plumbers, food delivery, etc "can't possibly have mobile POS machines" so they kind of suffer.
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Old 29.07.2016, 15:31
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Re: Greece discussing leaving the Euro Zone (Spiegel Online)

Question was more is the government actually able to collect sales tax now ??
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Old 29.07.2016, 15:40
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Re: Greece discussing leaving the Euro Zone (Spiegel Online)

They account for more tax because they have increased the rates or the tax-base, and they have become marginally better at limiting tax evasion.

The problem is that they don't actually collect it, because people don't actually have money to pay the taxes.
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If they do have financial problems as a result of the crisis is a different thing that telling that a Swiss bank card is superior to a Greek bank card...

... Everything went smoothly. To my knowledge nobody had a transaction declined if paying via debit card or direct deposit.
I refer you to my previous post...

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and the shop salesmen were relieved to see a Swiss credit card presented because so many transactions for larger amounts aren't honoured by the banks.
I've spent a lot of time in Kifissia and Dionysos, so I know there are still a lot of exceptionally wealthy people in the country who, outwardly, appear untouched by the crisis.
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Re: Greece discussing leaving the Euro Zone (Spiegel Online)

Again, there is no issue with transactions in Greece however there is no culture of using credit cards for amounts >2000 euros like there is in the US & Canada. If one wants to buy, say, a Rolex watch with an agreed price of 6000 euros one needs to pay using a bank deposit. If you have a US/Canadian credit card of course you can use the credit card. This is country specific since UK credit cards also do not allow transactions >1000gbp. Any transaction like that will get blocked automatically and requires telephone approval. However no such problems with US & Canadian credit cards for example (I used to have both Canadian & UK credit cards from various providers).


Please, don't confuse the issues.
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