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Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

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I am a Saudi guy that lived here in Saudi Arabia all my life and trust me most women are ok with what's happening here.


All the malls here have a sign that says "Families only" which translate to: If you want to get inside this mall you need to be in the company of a woman.

Also the same rule is in place for all Amusement Parks around here, except the fact only women with/without the company of small children are allowed to enter (Based on the child height not age, stupid ain't it?).

Males (especially Teenagers and Adults) don't have as much to do inside the the main cities, so most of them get away by gathering at Shesha/Hookah Cafes (And in the capital city in Riyadh, Shesha isn't allowed inside the city, so the Cafes rented buildings on the outskirts of the city), and the only place they can sit in the city is the Cafes (the normal ones that doesn't serve shesha).

Now, I agree there's some men around here that treat their wives and sisters like shit, but these are special cases, and that happens elsewhere in the world.

Don't trust what mainstream media says, and not just about Saudi Arabia but about everything, their main priority is $$.

And P.S. most women here are ok with the Abaya, and their being "creative" with their design.

Have ALL women in Saudi said that you can speak for them - or does this post reinforce the idea that they are told what their opinions are?
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Old 11.05.2011, 21:16
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Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

Life of happy happy happy women!

Feels good to be a woman

One of those who are ok about the way things are.

Now I'll leave you to your homework to educate yourself, not my job to do it for you.
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I bet they have a lot less accident and cars taking several hours to parallel park though.
Ehem, actually, women are better parallel parkers than men ehm
OK back OT, there are lots of ridiculous laws in the world, unfortunately some countries still live in the middle ages
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Life of happy happy happy women!

Feels good to be a woman

One of those who are ok about the way things are.

Now I'll leave you to your homework to educate yourself, not my job to do it for you.
You can also use the time to educate yourself with "true" facts about us not "exaggerated" facts from the Media instead of looming here.

Also, the links you mentioned I've had close friends of mine experience those first-hand, you didn't bring anything new to me (One of my friends been arrested by what you call the "Religious Police" which we call here by "Heia" which translate into "Comission" casually, I agree they are a pain in the ass sometimes, but I believe they should exist in a passive, subtile way around, since most people around here are Ignorance (Where at one point at many places it became Chaos with them not around, where every guy hitting on a girl when she's alone).

Got all what was in my chest and to be honest, if the Mods of these forums believe I shouldn't speak for free in these forums or going "against" the "good willed and old" members, feel free to ban me, I am at your disposal.

Though, this doesn't change my plans to study in Switzerland though, not because of escaping from here (where I have my family and my beloved Parrots), but more like to learn how to take care of myself alone (More of a military thing).
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OK back OT, there are lots of ridiculous laws in the world, unfortunately some countries still live in the middle ages
Yes, here we use the religion as an excuse to everything that goes wrong instead of fixing them by ourself.

Some people around here look at your country laws as crazy and ridiculous, the same the other way around, it's the human nature.
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Have ALL women in Saudi said that you can speak for them - or does this post reinforce the idea that they are told what their opinions are?
Not really, they are free with what they want to say.

Just pointing out the facts.
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Old 11.05.2011, 21:32
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Though, this doesn't change my plans to study in Switzerland though, not because of escaping from here (where I have my family and my beloved Parrots), but more like to learn how to take care of myself alone (More of a military thing).
could your sister have the same opportunity to come and study here alone like you? If not why?
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I am a Saudi guy that lived here in Saudi Arabia all my life and trust me most women are ok with what's happening here.
I believe you this - doesn't make the situation right though.
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Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

Switzerland's women were until about 25 years ago in a similar situation like the ones in your country (eg. as an unmarried women with a child you could been sent to prison without any court decision, rape in marriage was legal until the mid 90ies, you were not allowed to vote, you could not open a bank account without your husbands agreement etc. etc.) - and most of the Swiss women, mostly in rural areas where the christain church was a strong authority, were at first against the changes when they were introduced.

Seems to be a normal denial reaction if you grow up surpressed, and brain-washed by society?
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could your sister have the same opportunity to come and study here alone like you? If not why?

Are you saying that what is suit for the men will be automatically suit as well for the womens /

Are you pregnant by the way ?
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Are you saying that what is suit for the men will be automatically suit as well for the womens
Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't.

Always nice to have a choice, though, eh?
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Old 11.05.2011, 22:00
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We have our own Traditions and Religion, and I assume you have your own, you don't want us to force you to follow ours, neither we want to follow yours (in general, there's exceptions always), ...
God help the exceptions...
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Yes, here we use the religion as an excuse to everything that goes wrong instead of fixing them by ourself.

Some people around here look at your country laws as crazy and ridiculous, the same the other way around, it's the human nature.
Yeah, crazy laws like, being allowed to change religion without facing the death penalty...
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Not really, they are free with what they want to say.

Just pointing out the facts.
Facts According to the law of the land, no doubt. Out of interest could you tell me what percentage of your ruling government are women ?
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Old 11.05.2011, 22:12
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Are you saying that what is suit for the men will be automatically suit as well for the womens /
and studying abroad alone or driving a car just doesn't suit women?
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Got all what was in my chest and to be honest, if the Mods of these forums believe I shouldn't speak for free in these forums or going "against" the "good willed and old" members, feel free to ban me, I am at your disposal.
Sorry mate, this isn't Saudi Arabia.

Which, by the way, is the worst place on earth. I've been there. I queued in the non-Saudi line at the airport in Jiddah. It was long and slow moving, the Saudi citizen line moved quickly. Made me feel good. Imagining myself as a woman there made be feel better though. A woman in Saudi Arabia has fewer rights than my cat (who, btw has a wonderful red Swiss passport, so cute). It is your total misunderstanding of what rights and freedoms are that leads you to ascertain "oh, but they like the abaya". Saudia Arabia is, in my opinion, the worst of what humanity has to offer and I'd much rather live out my days in a Swiss prison, than in a Saudi apartment building.
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Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

I lived in Saudi for a couple of years and had a great time, the locals were nice and I met many expats. Like anywhere else it has its negatives but I agree with chateau that the western media writes quite a load of rubbish about Saudi.
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Been around women of my country, now look, it's like those accidents you mention you assumed it happens in every household here, but in reality you're just mentioning some accidents which can happen in any country no matter how free or safe or educated the country is.

It's not like I am happy with what's happening here either and I wish some stuffs to change, but you and other members (and most importantly the media) exaggerate such stuff to the extreme.

Not trying to deny but that's the fact.
The difference is huge. The majority of countries have laws and rules to protect women against those ''accident'' () Someone would go straight to court and be judge and get a sentence for doing any of those ''accidents''.

While in your country, you have a bunch of people enforcing this behavior and giving green light of those ''accidents''...
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I lived in Saudi for a couple of years and had a great time, the locals were nice and I met many expats. Like anywhere else it has its negatives but I agree with chateau that the western media writes quite a load of rubbish about Saudi.
My friend grow up in Saudi, as a woman she wasn't having a great time.

Giving the choice, I and her don't know many women who would want to live there.
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I lived in Saudi for a couple of years and had a great time, the locals were nice and I met many expats. Like anywhere else it has its negatives but I agree with chateau that the western media writes quite a load of rubbish about Saudi.
western expats with high education are probably having great time. A country's system should be judged on how it protects the weakest; if you happen to be an immigrant from a poor country then it can be hell as HRW reports.
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Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

As I said Saudi has its negatives and I agree Human Rights is a bad one. There are positives in Saudi as well. What is nonsense is how some people on here are saying how Saudi women feel and what they REALLY want. It's a bit like the Burqa debate: people in the West project what they think burqa wearing women's intentions and motivations are.
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