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Old 12.05.2011, 09:45
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The point is not to be against British or Saoudians, or to chose a side.
It's to have a constructive self criticism look about ourselves.
Yeah. You be as even handed as you like, and I'm not against "Saudians" although most of them wonder the desert cutting each other's heads off. However I am against the country of Saudi. Whole heartedly and if they were recruiting soldiers to go into Saudi to take it apart, I'd gladly sign up*


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You don't know where they're headed. With one hand the royal family gives women some rights, and with they other they close 200 student newspapers. The royal family releases not one iota of their grip on power. But congrats for buying into the "media hype" which I what I was accused of doing.
OK - to put it bluntly I think the royals will soon be fleeing permanently to their summer retreats. More likely to be our neighbours here than ruling the country 5 years from now (or even six months the way things are going?). Of course the 'finding' of Bin Laden provides the US with the perfect excuse for redeploying their forces in Afghanistan to try and shore up the Saudi regime (in order to retain their oil interests) first, should they choose.

With regard to your comment on the media I thought I'd post something form a non-Murdoch source.

Anyway at least I appreciate you speaking your mind - no-one could accuse you of fence-sitting!
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Mate, this is a public forum, if you post bollox someone will comment.
My rudeness has a life of it's own.


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This is a public talkboard so you'll get people on here you won't agree with. There's really no need to be so rude.

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OK - to put it bluntly I think the royals will soon be fleeing permanently to their summer retreats. More likely to be our neighbours here than ruling the country 5 years from now.
Insh'Allah
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a lot of them are willing to do so. Because they've been educated to think like that and they think it's right.

Example: if Sahia (fake name) would not hide her face in public places she would feel like Paris Hilton, or amy winehouse or other ed up.

Who would like to feel like them?
I would like them to be educated that they are free, equal and able to aspire to anyone they wish. A women showing her face in public, might actually feel quite enlivened and liberated about it, incredibly.
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Did you meet some saudi girls when they get out of their country? I did.

Believe me, they wear clothes that would make Paris Hilton look like a religious sister.
Yeah I met some chicks from repressed countries, thanks god!


"Some do, some don't":
About the Burqa ban in france:
"This is an attack on my freedom of conscience, my freedom of religion, my freedom simply of being a woman, so this is a really big attack on my own life," one female protester said.
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(i'm not saying that in some way she hasn't been brainwashed).
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Yeah. You be as even handed as you like, and I'm not against "Saudians" although most of them wonder the desert cutting each other's heads off. However I am against the country of Saudi. Whole heartedly and if they were recruiting soldiers to go into Saudi to take it apart, I'd gladly sign up*


*clearly in some sort of office capacity
Me too.
I'll be against Saoudian's government.
Only after the day that our own government will cease to steal, abuse, etc... and will become a real democracy.
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Yeah I met some chicks from repressed countries, thanks god!


"Some do, some don't":
About the Burqa ban in france:
"This is an attack on my freedom of conscience, my freedom of religion, my freedom simply of being a woman, so this is a really big attack on my own life," one female protester said.
Source:
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/201...nch-Burqa-Ban/

(i'm not saying that in some way she hasn't been brainwashed).
No many women are happy to wear it and haven't been brainwashed. For many it is a matter of CHOICE! And it should be like this for everyone!

And this is what we are talking about.
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Did you meet some saudi girls when they get out of their country? I did.

Believe me, they wear clothes that would make Paris Hilton look like a religious sister.
I know exactly what you mean - 2 such girls were mistaken for prostitutes in a London hotel once and security were about to throw them out before they were appraised of just who they were (very wealthy high spending guests).

Its a bit like Americans and alcohol - they over-compensate when they reach 21 or cross the border!
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Old 12.05.2011, 09:56
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Yeah I met some chicks from repressed countries, thanks god!


"Some do, some don't":
About the Burqa ban in france:
"This is an attack on my freedom of conscience, my freedom of religion, my freedom simply of being a woman, so this is a really big attack on my own life," one female protester said.
Source:
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/201...nch-Burqa-Ban/

(i'm not saying that in some way she hasn't been brainwashed).
I agree with her. Banning the Burqa is those things, and it's wrong (IMO). I just want governments to stop making laws. They need to chill. Wearing a Burqa or anything else should remain the choice of the individual. In (only) this respect, Saudi and France are equally wrong.
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Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

Not to forget that the strict rules applied to women and everyone do not apply to the royal family and their herd of princes who can do whatever they want within the SA territory. The fact that they take your passport as immigrant basically tells you how much pressure they can put on someone.

I know many well educated SA executives and they disagree in private about the democratic & social status of the country but will never do it in public. I was offered several times to work there but refused to help such a regime*.


*: actually I wanted but my wife refused to go with me there
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I agree with her. Banning the Burqa is those things, and it's wrong (IMO). I just want governments to stop making laws. They need to chill. Wearing a Burqa or anything else should remain the choice of the individual. In (only) this respect, Saudi and France are equally wrong.
I totally disagree with that. We are under constant terrorist threat and have all witnessed the bombings in our home capitals. Its not acceptable for someone to remove their identity with the possibility of attacking us again.If the woman wants to wear the Burqua in KSA ir Afghanistan its fine with me, but not in London. Any expectation of understanding was blown out of sky just as our innocent commuters were blown into the sky.
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I agree with her. Banning the Burqa is those things, and it's wrong (IMO). I just want governments to stop making laws. They need to chill. Wearing a Burqa or anything else should remain the choice of the individual. In (only) this respect, Saudi and France are equally wrong.
One has to understand france's cultural background. It does not have the same philosophy as UK. France wants to integrate all immigrants in the national mould and erase all religious differences in public. Whereas in UK communitarianism is part of the culture. France had in its history terrible religious wars and the split of church-state in early 20th century was painful.
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I totally disagree with that*. We are under constant terrorist threat and have all witnessed the bombings in our home capitals. Its not acceptable for someone to remove their identity with the possibility of attacking us again.
So we are screwed.
We are not even capable of agreeing on a simple topic happening in our own country and yet we expect to be able to reason a guy who has been educated in a country miles away with an archaic reasoning system? (Islam misinterpreted, abuses, etc...).


So this thread will simply go on and on forever.



*me too. Hiding completely will waste our society. What if someone stabs you, are you going to describe "someone in burqa"?
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Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

Reverting back to the original topic - I can't believe that it's caused such a hoohah.
It's not as if this is a new revelation concerning the vast gap between the sexes of peoples of this part of the world, with their cultural and religious believes.

When I grew up in 60's Britain we had Pakistani neighbours for a short while - lovely people - professional and modern thinking - but everytime they went out, she sub-consciously always walked a short distance behind him - it's how it was then, and how it is now.

Now digressing again - I wonder how many of you living here now, realise that only 40yrs ago, there were similar parallels here:

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Women in CH were only granted the vote in '71 - so you don't have to look very far for examples of sexual inequalities, either geographically or historically.
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True, but women don't get stoned to death here.

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Women in CH were only granted the vote in '71 - so you don't have to look very far for examples of sexual inequalities, either geographically or historically.
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True, but women don't get stoned to death here.
well not to death , but .................
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True, but women don't get stoned to death here.
Yeah, but you can't beat a good stoning - especially if the roles are reversed.

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In Turkey, which many consider ''part'' of the Middle East with a strong majority of the population being muslim, women got the right to vote in 1930!

Not bad for muslims, isn't it?
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I totally disagree with that. We are under constant terrorist threat and have all witnessed the bombings in our home capitals. Its not acceptable for someone to remove their identity with the possibility of attacking us again.If the woman wants to wear the Burqua in KSA ir Afghanistan its fine with me, but not in London. Any expectation of understanding was blown out of sky just as our innocent commuters were blown into the sky.

Bollox, did any of the guys blowing themselves up wear a burqha? a motorcycle helmet? Anything to conceal their identity?
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