Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Off-Topic > Off-Topic > International affairs/politics  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #101  
Old 12.05.2011, 10:56
grumpygit's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: geneva
Posts: 1,476
Groaned at 29 Times in 16 Posts
Thanked 1,508 Times in 695 Posts
grumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

Quote:
View Post
Bollox, did any of the guys blowing themselves up wear a burqha? a motorcycle helmet? Anything to conceal their identity?
No the point is that we cant afford to have people hiding their identity when that threat is around. Incidentally, it hasnt been used in the Uk but it most certainly has been used elsewhere for an attack.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank grumpygit for this useful post:
  #102  
Old 12.05.2011, 10:58
economisto
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

Quote:
View Post
In Turkey, which many consider ''part'' of the Middle East with a strong majority of the population being muslim, women got the right to vote in 1930!

Not bad for muslims, isn't it?
Some would say that it wasn't the Muslims that gave them the vote but that they got the vote in spite of their Islam: using the vehicle of the revolutionary army to suppress Islamic temporal power.
Reply With Quote
  #103  
Old 12.05.2011, 10:59
Nil's Avatar
Nil Nil is offline
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Basel
Posts: 10,356
Groaned at 428 Times in 333 Posts
Thanked 16,045 Times in 6,322 Posts
Nil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond reputeNil has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

Quote:
View Post
Some would say that it wasn't the Muslims that gave them the vote but that they got the vote in spite of their Islam: using the vehicle of the revolutionary army to suppress Islamic temporal power.
True, but those who were in charge of that revolution were muslim...
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Nil for this useful post:
  #104  
Old 12.05.2011, 11:00
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Vaud
Posts: 4,518
Groaned at 491 Times in 320 Posts
Thanked 4,099 Times in 1,952 Posts
CorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

Quote:
View Post
Bollox, did any of the guys blowing themselves up wear a burqha? a motorcycle helmet? Anything to conceal their identity?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/scotsol/home...html?print=yes




Sorry there's always human to pervert everything.
As Nil said, Islam is misinterpreted in many places by nutters.
The same for the burqa. The risks are threatening every one and theoretically remove the concept of identity/identification.
Reply With Quote
  #105  
Old 12.05.2011, 11:00
cyrus's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Emmenbruecke
Posts: 2,904
Groaned at 37 Times in 34 Posts
Thanked 3,471 Times in 1,513 Posts
cyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

Quote:
View Post
No the point is that we cant afford to have people hiding their identity when that threat is around. Incidentally, it hasnt been used in the Uk but it most certainly has been used elsewhere for an attack.

Why? The problem wasn't people hiding their identity. If it's happened somewhere else it's because, generaly, they don't want to be the person who looks like the mad bomber, so they wear clothes that fit in.
Reply With Quote
  #106  
Old 12.05.2011, 11:02
cyrus's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Emmenbruecke
Posts: 2,904
Groaned at 37 Times in 34 Posts
Thanked 3,471 Times in 1,513 Posts
cyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

Quote:
View Post
http://www.thesun.co.uk/scotsol/home...html?print=yes




Sorry there's always human to pervert everything.
As Nil said, Islam is misinterpreted in many places by nutters.
The same for the burqa. The risks are threatening every one and theoretically remove the concept of identity/identification.
The same story is more common with motorcycle helmets involved, perhaps they should be banned?
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank cyrus for this useful post:
  #107  
Old 12.05.2011, 11:03
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Vaud
Posts: 4,518
Groaned at 491 Times in 320 Posts
Thanked 4,099 Times in 1,952 Posts
CorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

Quote:
View Post
Why? The problem wasn't people hiding their identity. If it's happened somewhere else it's because, generaly, they don't want to be the person who looks like the mad bomber, so they wear clothes that fit in.
It is because if someone wears a helmet near the jewellery people will get suspicious and call the police.

If someone wear the burqa (which hide their identity) they can not call the police. The shop keeper has to let them in for fear of discrimination based on religion.

And that's where the problems might begin.
Reply With Quote
  #108  
Old 12.05.2011, 11:06
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Vaud
Posts: 4,518
Groaned at 491 Times in 320 Posts
Thanked 4,099 Times in 1,952 Posts
CorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

Quote:
View Post
The same story is more common with motorcycle helmets involved, perhaps they should be banned?
easy one.
Someone entering a jewelery with Bicycle helmet without removing it can not be identified and is a threat.
Someone entering a jewelery with burqa can not be identified. The shop keeper has to let them in for avoiding religious discrimination. It's still a threat.

Last edited by CorsebouTheReturn; 12.05.2011 at 11:07. Reason: changed jeweler by jewelery...entering a jeweler...ouch
Reply With Quote
  #109  
Old 12.05.2011, 11:10
cyrus's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Emmenbruecke
Posts: 2,904
Groaned at 37 Times in 34 Posts
Thanked 3,471 Times in 1,513 Posts
cyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

Quote:
View Post
It is because if someone wears a helmet near the jewellery people will get suspicious and call the police.
How close to the jewelry store? Is there a designated distance for how far motorbikes can park to jewelry shops?

Are sunglasses OK? What about fake beards, or even growing a beard? Dyeing hair? Are they OK? You never can tell.

If they're going to wear a disguise, they're going to wear a disguise, if you think banning burqha is going to help, I honestly don't see how.
Reply With Quote
  #110  
Old 12.05.2011, 11:13
grumpygit's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: geneva
Posts: 1,476
Groaned at 29 Times in 16 Posts
Thanked 1,508 Times in 695 Posts
grumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

Quote:
View Post
Why? The problem wasn't people hiding their identity. If it's happened somewhere else it's because, generaly, they don't want to be the person who looks like the mad bomber, so they wear clothes that fit in.
Its because the authorities have a good idea who the real bad people are and can normally identify them with cctv images that have been in London since the IRA campaign of the 70s.As said, a motorcycle helmet on someone away from his bike is deemed suspicious, especially on a bus or tube.
If they are recognisable, then more outrages can be prevented. Incidentally if you believe the last post from the Sun newspaper article, which i can find no other article to corroborate, then the failed bomber used a burqua to disguise himself after failing. If burquas are allowed in an area of a country deemed to be under threat it facilitates the bomber not the innocent. In other countries where the burqua is accepted/expected it has been used to kill inncoent people. My argument is not religious based, its to give many innocent people better protection.
Reply With Quote
  #111  
Old 12.05.2011, 11:14
Chemmie's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 4,150
Groaned at 33 Times in 29 Posts
Thanked 4,955 Times in 2,235 Posts
Chemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

Quote:
View Post
How close to the jewelry store? Is there a designated distance for how far motorbikes can park to jewelry shops?

Are sunglasses OK? What about fake beards, or even growing a beard? Dyeing hair? Are they OK? You never can tell.

If they're going to wear a disguise, they're going to wear a disguise, if you think banning burqha is going to help, I honestly don't see how.

Definitely true. If some one want's to disguise their appearence, there's no stopping them.

However I feel if the legal laws state that "you must not cover your face", I don't think a group can claim religious exemption from this law.
Reply With Quote
  #112  
Old 12.05.2011, 11:16
cyrus's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Emmenbruecke
Posts: 2,904
Groaned at 37 Times in 34 Posts
Thanked 3,471 Times in 1,513 Posts
cyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

Quote:
View Post
Its because the authorities have a good idea who the real bad people are and can normally identify them with cctv images that have been in London since the IRA campaign of the 70s.As said, a motorcycle helmet on someone away from his bike is deemed suspicious, especially on a bus or tube.
If they are recognisable, then more outrages can be prevented. Incidentally if you believe the last post from the Sun newspaper article, which i can find no other article to corroborate, then the failed bomber used a burqua to disguise himself after failing. If burquas are allowed in an area of a country deemed to be under threat it facilitates the bomber not the innocent. In other countries where the burqua is accepted/expected it has been used to kill inncoent people. My argument is not religious based, its to give many innocent people better protection.
If it's not religious based, why not ban all methods of self disguise? Masks, hats, hoodies, beards, hair dyes, false glasses, plastic surgery.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank cyrus for this useful post:
  #113  
Old 12.05.2011, 11:19
grumpygit's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: geneva
Posts: 1,476
Groaned at 29 Times in 16 Posts
Thanked 1,508 Times in 695 Posts
grumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

Quote:
View Post
If it's not religious based, why not ban all methods of self disguise? Masks, hats, hoodies, beards, hair dyes, false glasses, plastic surgery.
and shoot clowns on sight .
Reply With Quote
  #114  
Old 12.05.2011, 11:20
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Vaud
Posts: 4,518
Groaned at 491 Times in 320 Posts
Thanked 4,099 Times in 1,952 Posts
CorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

Quote:
View Post
If it's not religious based, why not ban all methods of self disguise? Masks, hats, hoodies, beards, hair dyes, false glasses, plastic surgery.
Because anyone with a mask, hoodie, false glasses will raise suspicion to the jeweler who will be able to make a safe, non discriminating decision prior to let the "suspect" in.

But with the burqa they either discriminate the "victim" or take serious risk while letting them in.

No one wants to discriminate them based on their religion. But they want to make sure they can be identified.
Reply With Quote
  #115  
Old 12.05.2011, 11:23
Chemmie's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Zurich
Posts: 4,150
Groaned at 33 Times in 29 Posts
Thanked 4,955 Times in 2,235 Posts
Chemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond reputeChemmie has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

Quote:
View Post
If it's not religious based, why not ban all methods of self disguise? Masks, hats, hoodies, beards, hair dyes, false glasses, plastic surgery.

In Canada, I believe masks, belaclavas (sp?) and other facial covering items fall under the same catagory.
Reply With Quote
  #116  
Old 12.05.2011, 11:24
Treverus's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Work in ZH, live in SZ
Posts: 12,354
Groaned at 363 Times in 293 Posts
Thanked 23,687 Times in 8,573 Posts
Treverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

Quote:
View Post
easy one.
Someone entering a jewelery with Bicycle helmet without removing it can not be identified and is a threat.
Someone entering a jewelery with burqa can not be identified. The shop keeper has to let them in for avoiding religious discrimination. It's still a threat.
And in reality were the real criminals that robbed jewellers in Switzerland in the last years very well dressed and did not cover their face with some balaclava in order to cause no suspicion. That's what real pros look like:



http://www.20min.ch/news/zuerich/sto...ster--31191257
Reply With Quote
  #117  
Old 12.05.2011, 11:27
cyrus's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Emmenbruecke
Posts: 2,904
Groaned at 37 Times in 34 Posts
Thanked 3,471 Times in 1,513 Posts
cyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

Quote:
View Post
Because anyone with a mask, hoodie, false glasses will raise suspicion to the jeweler who will be able to make a safe, non discriminating decision prior to let the "suspect" in.

But with the burqa they either discriminate the "victim" or take serious risk while letting them in.

No one wants to discriminate them based on their religion. But they want to make sure they can be identified.
What risk are you talking about? Are people robbing jewelry stores in burqhas the new crime wave or is it just that one article?

The jewelery store owner doesn't know the identity of one person from another anyway!! They don't know if glasses are fake, hair is the natural colour. The only people he can possibly hope to catch are ones who've robbed already.
Reply With Quote
  #118  
Old 12.05.2011, 11:30
cyrus's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Emmenbruecke
Posts: 2,904
Groaned at 37 Times in 34 Posts
Thanked 3,471 Times in 1,513 Posts
cyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond reputecyrus has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

Quote:
View Post
In Canada, I believe masks, belaclavas (sp?) and other facial covering items fall under the same catagory.
If people were campaigning for a law that said people must be identifiable to cctv at all times, I might believe their arguments about it not being a "religious thing".

I don't think many people would go for such a law.
Reply With Quote
  #119  
Old 12.05.2011, 11:30
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Vaud
Posts: 4,518
Groaned at 491 Times in 320 Posts
Thanked 4,099 Times in 1,952 Posts
CorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond reputeCorsebouTheReturn has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

Quote:
View Post
And in reality were the real criminals that robbed jewellers in Switzerland in the last years very well dressed and did not cover their face with some balaclava in order to cause no suspicion. That's what real pros look like:



http://www.20min.ch/news/zuerich/sto...ster--31191257
The gloves!!!
Suspicious !!!!
Reply With Quote
  #120  
Old 12.05.2011, 11:33
maximum's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Richterswil, ZH
Posts: 184
Groaned at 2 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 99 Times in 52 Posts
maximum has earned the respect of manymaximum has earned the respect of manymaximum has earned the respect of many
Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

When I was thinking to take over my dad's business, I couldn't cause a big part took place in the Middle East. I as a women would not be able to travel there alone. (I would probably not even get a visa).

A Saudi woman would have no issue setting up a business anywhere in Europe (if she was to travel abroad).

We are arguing about wearing something totally different from our own culture (burqa). The woman wearing could maybe be arrested. That would be the worst to happen.

I wonder what would happen if a European woman in a miniskirt would face in SA.

Everywhere in Europe mosques are built (with Saudi funding), but no way it is allowed to build a Christian church in SA.

Maybe things are exaggerated in the media, but the fact is that there is a lot wrong there. And Europe is not perfect but at least there is a lot of freedom. And there is no man, living or visiting, who can say anything against that.

My husband has been there for business as well, and for him it was a great place. So it is very easy to say as a man that it is not all that bad. Tell that to even the expat woman who is stuck in the compounds and cannot go shopping alone!
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Saudi Guy Planning To Study In CH Chateau.X Other/general 3 02.05.2011 10:35
Hello from Saudi cravens Introductions 0 12.12.2006 11:00


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 23:31.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0