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Old 12.05.2011, 12:35
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Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

Now, I'm not saying the woman in this article should be stoned to death but I am sure a "community penalty" is as negligent a penalty on the other end of the harshness scale. People in glass houses...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...ng-trains.html
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I am a Saudi guy that lived here in Saudi Arabia all my life and trust me most women are ok with what's happening here.


All the malls here have a sign that says "Families only" which translate to: If you want to get inside this mall you need to be in the company of a woman.

Also the same rule is in place for all Amusement Parks around here, except the fact only women with/without the company of small children are allowed to enter (Based on the child height not age, stupid ain't it?).

Males (especially Teenagers and Adults) don't have as much to do inside the the main cities, so most of them get away by gathering at Shesha/Hookah Cafes (And in the capital city in Riyadh, Shesha isn't allowed inside the city, so the Cafes rented buildings on the outskirts of the city), and the only place they can sit in the city is the Cafes (the normal ones that doesn't serve shesha).

Now, I agree there's some men around here that treat their wives and sisters like shit, but these are special cases, and that happens elsewhere in the world.

Don't trust what mainstream media says, and not just about Saudi Arabia but about everything, their main priority is $$.

And P.S. most women here are ok with the Abaya, and their being "creative" with their design.
I hear this continually from guys from Saudi, 'don't trust the western media, it is all lies'. As if Winston Smith is 'rectifying' another copy of 'The Times' on his speakwrite as we blindly believe everything we are told.
CNN is a rubbish news outlet, but the BBC is reputable and verifiable, it is more the case that the totalitarian regime of Saudi has brain washed you into believing they are the truth and the light.

If religion eventually evolves into a stifling form of extreme elitism sexism and racism with the only objective to keep the idle rich safe from the dirt poor and the dirt poor contented enough with this brief veil of tears not to attack the idle rich, then it begs the question why have religion at all?
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Old 12.05.2011, 12:55
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Now, I'm not saying the woman in this article should be stoned to death but I am sure a "community penalty" is as negligent a penalty on the other end of the harshness scale. People in glass houses...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...ng-trains.html

I think a lot of us are a bit tunnel visioned with western ideals. I'm not saying that anything mentioned above is right or wrong, but I have experienced sensationalist media, and emotionals brought on by statistical outliers. I can't take anything at 100% unless I experience it all first hand (even in this, case context is not always known), but I do know that western cultures still have a strong belief and application of "women as the victims" and I have seen many cases of inequalitites against men which just go ignored.
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Old 12.05.2011, 14:12
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Bollox, did any of the guys blowing themselves up wear a burqha? a motorcycle helmet? Anything to conceal their identity?
purely in the interest of being fair - the ones who failed a few weeks later, one escaped and got to Manchester wearing a Burqha.

Men could also use such clothing to enter women only places in these strict societies.

Adding a source for the story

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couldn’t imagine that such rules still exist in 2011 even is Saudi
Oh, it's something very typical of Muslims countries !

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Saudi Arabia has a terrible record on women's rights and human rights in general.
What do you mean Saudi Arabia ? Pretty much every muslim society has a terrible record on human rights...

Bibi Aisha is an Afghan woman who was mutilated because she left her husband:
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And another interesting story: A MUSLIM actress has caused a storm by posing naked for Playboy - http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...ayboy-mag.html

Sila Sahin has been branded a "whore" and a "western slut" after appearing topless on the cover of the German edition of the men's magazine.

A kebab shop owner, asked on German TV what he would do if Sila were his daughter, replied: "I would kill her. I really mean that. That doesn't fit with my culture."


About three million Muslim immigrants live in Germany, which has seen numerous honour killings in recent years by husbands, fathers and brothers.
In 2009, an asylum seeker was sentenced to life after killing his "too independent" German wife.


Gotta love the Religion of Peace™ !




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Some people around here look at your country laws as crazy and ridiculous, the same the other way around, it's the human nature.
No, in actual fact laws inspired by Islam, like Sharia, ARE stupid and most of all dangerous...what western law do you Muslims find 'ridiculous' ? That homosexuals enjoy the same rights as heterosexuals, that women are considered equal to men, that we discourage forced marriage, that we don't use stoning or don't hang adulterers?

You know, if you don't like living among the civilised, no one's forcing you to stay...
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Old 12.05.2011, 18:46
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Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

But Marawder, you haven't told me what that same kebab shop owner thinks about quantitative easing by the Bank of California and the blunt object discrepancy between North Cal and South Cal.

Please tell me. I need to know his opinion!
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Old 12.05.2011, 19:27
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"that women are considered equal to men

Considered.
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Old 12.05.2011, 21:22
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I'm not sure how many fathers, regardless of religion, would be happy if their daughter ended up on the cover of playboy.

The thought of millions of men potentially beating off to her.....would be enough for me to off myself

Is selecting for a fetus that is likely to be a boy allowed in Switzerland?
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Old 12.05.2011, 21:41
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Hi Marawder. Welcome to this form and to Switzerland. I guess you were just searching google for "racial hatred" and thought you'd sign up.
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Old 12.05.2011, 22:08
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Re: Saudi Law Against Driving - for females only

130 posts about women driving in Saudi Arabia - Can't wait for the day the oil runs out.
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I'm not sure how many fathers, regardless of religion, would be happy if their daughter ended up on the cover of playboy.The thought of millions of men potentially beating off to her.....would be enough for me to off myself
So let me get this straight > you would KILL your own daughter just because she posed for PlayBoy ? Her life, her choice...no wonder some of you are pro-Islam, you share the mentality !

If my daughter posed for PB, I'd probably be a bit dissapointed, but that's it...I could never cut her nose off, or kill her !


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I guess you were just searching google for "racial hatred" and thought you'd sign up.
Are you a stand-up comedian ? Was this supposed to be funny ?

As to the "racism" charge, some comedians seem wholly unable to understand that 'Muslim' doesn't designate a race, it's an ideology. It is impossible to be a "racist" against Islam because no race is exclusively either Muslim or non-Muslim. Every race has Muslims and every race has millions of its members that arenít Muslims.
Therefore, whether I think Islam is a good idea or not, it is impossible to be a "racist" against Islam.


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YES BUT IT'S ILLEGAL. The government is desperately trying to decapitate every homosexual they can find.
There are over 450 different vertebrate species in Saudi Arabia that practice homosexual intercourse...looks like the government has a lot of beheadings to do !


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Saudi Arabia is not Islam. This is not Islam, this is a cult that gets to call itself Islam because it has a lot of oil and a lot of religious police.
More jokes...

What exactly does "it's not Islam" mean in this context? It's something done almost exclusively by Muslims, justified by their religious requirements and defended by their claims to freedom of religion.
It may not be prescribed in the actual Scriptures, however for all intents and purposes it is at this point an integral part of Muslim culture in many countries and immigrant communities.
Arguing by the hypothetical 'pure ideal Islam' is a little like saying that gulags and purges are not really a part of communism, because Marx would disapprove of them. It may very well be true, but how is it relevant to the actual reality of things ?
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no wonder some of you are pro-Islam, you share the mentality !
Now listen here, Mr Marawder: some of the English Forum's oldest and most valued members are Muslims. They are a part of our community in a way that you, so far, are not.

You might want to think about that next time you want to post one of your ill-informed, hateful rants about Muslims and Islam.

Now, you are perfectly free to state your objections to certain aspects of their religion, but if you do so, it might be worthwhile (if you value your membership of this forum) to consider presenting those objections in a more civilised and decent manner.

Racism, hatred and bigotry have no place on the English Forum.

Think on, lad.
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Are you a stand-up comedian ? Was this supposed to be funny ?
I do most of my jokes sitting down. And it was funny.
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Old 13.05.2011, 09:37
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Now listen here, Mr Marawder: some of the English Forum's oldest and most valued members are Muslims. They are a part of our community in a way that you, so far, are not.

You might want to think about that next time you want to post one of your ill-informed, hateful rants about Muslims and Islam.

Now, you are perfectly free to state your objections to certain aspects of their religion, but if you do so, it might be worthwhile (if you value your membership of this forum) to consider presenting those objections in a more civilised and decent manner.

Racism, hatred and bigotry have no place on the English Forum.

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Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!

Well said DB. When I read those kind of comments from people signing in just to vomit their hate on a group of people, it makes me physically sick.

Thank Goodness this forum hold great members who believe in the importance of defending and protecting every members of this wonderful community.

Amen to that brother!
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I do most of my jokes sitting down. And it was funny.
I think you're in the wrong thread.
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As to the "racism" charge, some comedians seem wholly unable to understand that 'Muslim' doesn't designate a race, it's an ideology. It is impossible to be a "racist" against Islam because no race is exclusively either Muslim or non-Muslim. Every race has Muslims and every race has millions of its members that arenít Muslims.
Therefore, whether I think Islam is a good idea or not, it is impossible to be a "racist" against Islam.
Pedantism doesn't suddenly make your prejudice any better.

What would you prefer?

Bigot?
Narrow Minded Fool?
Troll?
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How can I half thank and half groan?
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No, in actual fact laws inspired by Islam, like Sharia, ARE stupid and most of all dangerous...what western law do you Muslims find 'ridiculous' ? That homosexuals enjoy the same rights as heterosexuals, that women are considered equal to men, that we discourage forced marriage, that we don't use stoning or don't hang adulterers?

You know, if you don't like living among the civilised, no one's forcing you to stay...
I think it's quite too simple vision of the world, my dear!

As NIL mentioned earlier we need to mention that it's not "Islam" or "muslins" who are stupid and most of all dangerous. But the misinterpretation or the abuse of the "rules"/"concepts" by many.
So we can not say "inspired by Islam" but more... "pretending to be islamic".

But yes there's millions and millions of muslims who are poorly educated and dumb, who will follow abuse by others. It works in India, who have lot of different religions beside muslims (So it's not only muslims, obviously).


Also it's not Western vs Eastern conference game- But if you would take 2 seconds to have a self critic look at your "western country" you will see how it's not so good.

Example:
-Sanctions for crimes in france
-Delays to release criminals who offend again and again
-Legal system completely saturated, takes years to be judge and be considered criminal or not
-Politicians who can sneak millions and millions in tax and have no problems,
etc....
- Men in UK who have very limited rights toward their children
-Politicians who change the retirement rules for people who worked 40-50 years work and paid contribution. Just because Politicians screwed up.
-Politicans who use public money to spoil rich dictators and act as friend while once the population have been slaughtered and the public opinion changed they pretend they dont like them?
etc...
etc...
etc...



So before we make a little western/eastern comparison I would make sure we are "clean".
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