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Old 02.06.2011, 21:00
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Re: Women Victimized in Revolutions: a Tahrir Square Virginity Test Experience

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1) You were mentioning your egyptian friend in your previous post, you did not rely on statistics to make your statement.

2) you were opposing Japan and Egypt to compare attitudes towards harrassement and you wrote that japanese don't "chase women like raw meat" .... meaning implicitly not like egyptians (without distinction)

3) the statistics you mention in a second post do not have a sense unless you understand what is considered as harrassement. There are already differences between USA and France so imagine with Egypt. Like Mowich explained for some women in Egypt or any arabic country just talking to her and inviting her is considered as harrassement (b't3akess in arabic/english slang).

4) The statistics in japan is 64% of women admit being victim of groping as well as 70% of students and not only during "drunken hours" but at any time in the train and even in crowded streets. The "women only wagon car" is for rush hour not only for "drunken time"

So all in all your comparison of cultural sexual harrassement between Japan and Egypt is flawed.
I don't say you are ignorant.....but rather one who thinks he knows really.
Look I don't think I know everything.

I do know what I've seen, and I keep seeing news reports that confirm what I've seen and heard from friends. I do not think that is a coincidence.

1) You are correct, but I said i saw many reports which pretty much lined up with what i've seen and heard from people living in Cairo.

2) Personally, I think Japanese men on average (I hate to generalize but this entire thing is a generalization) fairly sexist by Western standards, but then again I think Japanese women have different expectations from American or most European women. I do know as I have said there are no honor killings in Japan to my knowledge (I'm sure it occurs but it is highly unusual), there are no forced marriages, there are no virginity tests on women, women are not harrassed on the streets for what they are wearing, etc. LIke I said, comparing Japan to Egypt is misleading, yes they have harrassment in their own way, as I've said, but the treatment of women is very different. It just is. Everything is not equal between places. Every nation does not equal attitudes about gender.

The way I see it is this, in Japan there are men who harass women and have perverted attitudes but they try to hide it and be anonymous, it is not obvious.

3) You are correct. All I can say is I saw pretty serious harassment from my cultural perspective and was told about it by an American woman. so if talking to a strange woman in Egypt is considered harassment, then what has happened to my friend is way over the top from American and Egyptian perspective. That's an assumption though, I don't know how Egyptian women define harassment.

4) Every train in Tokyo does not have a women's only car, to my knowledge it is Chuo (which runs East to West) and the Green line (forgot the name) that runs in a circle around central Tokyo. There is definitely grouping on the trains by Chikans. Like I said i've seen it. I'm surprised by how high the stat is, but like I said in an early post, Japanese women likely don't talk about it because they are ashamed. But, this is something that does not stand out as obvious. Like I said, in Tokyo, it is very different, men don't run up to strange women on the street or stalk them down the street. They don't whistle at them, etc. The only men I've ever seen approaching strange women were mafia related porn club guys approaching young girls to ask them if they want "a job as an actress or dancer" in Kabuki-cho, which is the red light district.
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Old 02.06.2011, 21:30
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Re: Women Victimized in Revolutions: a Tahrir Square Virginity Test Experience

At least some women hope that the revolution will help egyptaian women - more here.

They are facing very powerful opponents - the Army, the Muslim Brotherhood, commonly held opinions in Egyptian society. But maybe, just maybe, the tide may be turning and there is nothing stronger than an idea whose time has come. and Women's equality time has arrived long ago (to civilized countries, at least).
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Old 02.06.2011, 23:10
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Proof that the military transition government is not all bad

Egypt Opens Rafah Crossing: This Is What Democracy Looks Like
Well, it seems that the Egypt-Gaza border is not as open as was promised.

How do you think this will affect the Egyptian army treatment of women/carbon emmisions/helping old ladies across the street ?
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Re: Women Victimized in Revolutions: a Tahrir Square Virginity Test Experience

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Look I don't think I know everything.

I do know what I've seen, and I keep seeing news reports that confirm what I've seen and heard from friends. I do not think that is a coincidence.

1) You are correct, but I said i saw many reports which pretty much lined up with what i've seen and heard from people living in Cairo.

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3) You are correct. All I can say is I saw pretty serious harassment from my cultural perspective and was told about it by an American woman. so if talking to a strange woman in Egypt is considered harassment, then what has happened to my friend is way over the top from American and Egyptian perspective. That's an assumption though, I don't know how Egyptian women define harassment.
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Since people are trying to imply that you are making "stuff" up let me add another data point.

My wife, who travels professionally throughout the world has experienced sexism in various countries, but nowhere was it as pronounced, hostile and aggressive as it was in Egypt. And she was usually in professional company, not that it seemed to make a significant difference.

Oh, and she is a middle aged woman who knows how to dress to stay within the social mores of a country, as she is fairly conservative herself, when it comes to dress.
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Old 16.11.2011, 22:23
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Re: Women Victimized in Revolutions: a Tahrir Square Virginity Test Experience

Here (Warning: nudity) is one brave Egyptian woman - posting nude pictures of yourself in a conservative society like Egypt is not trivial. some responses are here
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Old 21.11.2011, 20:39
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Re: Women Victimized in Revolutions: a Tahrir Square Virginity Test Experience

& Israeli ladies getting their kit off in support
http://www.20min.ch/news/ausland/sto...-Alia-20747727

Hope this idea spreads..........
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Old 21.11.2011, 21:29
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Re: Women Victimized in Revolutions: a Tahrir Square Virginity Test Experience

I already posted this somewhere - we went to Egypt in 2010 and I will never ever go there again! My 16-year-old daughter was constantly harassed by the male staff in the hotel and they didn't mind that she was with family. We should have bought her a burka, honestly! It was unbearable and she didn't enjoy it either.
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