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Oh dear. The police were in shorts - that was my point...

Oh, dear. I'm sorry it seems you can't see the obvious - those are bicycle cops. The cute little hat sort of gives it away, doesn't it?
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Old 02.06.2011, 16:59
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I do not dispute that doctors and nurses (and everyone else, in their own way) have problems with people treating them poorly and filing suits for various reasons, BUT how often have you heard of a group of people purposefully going to a doctor's office in order to cause trouble? Most times I can think of people doing anything like that it is folks who are in the pro- or anti-abortion groups at clinics in which the procedure is either performed or vehemently refused.
how troubling is dancing without music? I find it rather mild and unprovocative and certainly not disruptive to other people sightseeing. I've never found the breakdancers at ZH airport disruptive, and certainly the police haven't either.

in the case of this arrest you have a misdemeanor vs a possible assault and battery charge for the cops.
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Old 02.06.2011, 17:40
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how troubling is dancing without music? I find it rather mild and unprovocative and certainly not disruptive to other people sightseeing. I've never found the breakdancers at ZH airport disruptive, and certainly the police haven't either.

in the case of this arrest you have a misdemeanor vs a possible assault and battery charge for the cops.

Well, since the beginning of the clip is of a police officer telling a couple to stop, we'll "never" know how it started, what was so "troubling" about dancing without music.

Some folks take the fact that it is a Memorial to heart and don't care for any type of shenanigans going on. Perhaps the police came in because someone complained, perhaps they came in because someone who was offended told em to knock it the f off and it escalated from there... or perhaps the police simply came to ask them to stop BEFORE someone told them to knock it the f off to keep it from escalating.

Quite a few of my friends and family are the type to have told them to knock it off out of respect for the place and for the others around them. Some of those people would have been offended, some would have been looking out for others who may be offended, either way, with or without police, it could have gotten ugly. Of course, the chances of it becoming ugly are a bit more slim at the Jefferson Memorial compared to some of the others on this map but still.

As bad as some of ya'll think the treatment they got from the police was, it was a lot less bad than it could have been without the police and that's why the police are there, doing their job, protecting the idiots from themselves.
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Old 02.06.2011, 17:45
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Re: Arrested for dancing, hugging and kissing....in the US!!

Well it was an organized event planned entirely to encite officers into this behavior.

The guy has a website which is dedicated to such videos of police brutality (some are actually pretty bad), but this was a total set up for the officers and because of that I have no problem with how it went down
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Old 02.06.2011, 21:11
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Re: Arrested for dancing, hugging and kissing....in the US!!

A guys swinging around a sword in Vancity.

This is how cops deal with a situation.

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Old 02.06.2011, 21:13
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not really a sword, more like a butter knife maybe but still...

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Re: Arrested for dancing, hugging and kissing....in the US!!

I just cant belive this...

This is really not normal anymore...
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Oh, dear. I'm sorry it seems you can't see the obvious - those are bicycle cops. The cute little hat sort of gives it away, doesn't it?
The obvious is that the actions of the arrested apparently caused offence in some monumental space. But for many naked legs are just as offensive - not to mention men not removing their hats, however silly.

I'm sorry I have had to explain the irony of this...
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Old 03.06.2011, 02:05
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The obvious is that the actions of the arrested apparently caused offence in some monumental space. But for many naked legs are just as offensive - not to mention men not removing their hats, however silly.

I'm sorry I have had to explain the irony of this...


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Its real.

Well the police were right about one thing.

The dancing did cause a disturbance.

Once those people started dancing these other people came up and started assaulting them and knocking them down and then unlawfully restrained them and probably kidnapped them as well.

Oh, whoopsie, those other people were the police so I guess they get to do what ever they want.

You only have rights if you have either money or knowledge. Preferably lots of the former and lawyers with the latter.

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Old 03.06.2011, 02:27
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Funny that the dancers were arrested for doing something that hadn't yet been made illegal...
Oh?

The video in the OP was from a protest last Saturday. The law was passed making it illegal in January.

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It is a MEMORIAL Monument. That may not mean something to many of you but it does to plenty of other people!
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Oh?

The video in the OP was from a protest last Saturday. The law was passed making it illegal in January.

<SNIP: a bunch of quotes pointing out that I misread something earlier>

It is a MEMORIAL Monument. That may not mean something to many of you but it does to plenty of other people!
Hmmm. Don't have much time for religion but I am piously reverent when I am at Memorial Monuments. Especially ones of people who fought for our right to have our own opinions and be annoying to others even if they don't like it as long as we aren't hurting them.

Even as teenager, I found the Jefferson Memorial Monument to encourage pensive behaviour.

Thank you for pointing out the error in my previous post. You see it does mean more to some of us than others. And not necessarily in the way that you think. Our rights are precious and should not be capriciously legislated away, even if the individual incident seems trivial or irrelevant to you personally.

Where do you draw the line? What is wrong with "quiet" behaviour? How do you tell if someone is just afflicted or is dancing? I don't mind PDA as long as people aren't groping each other.

If more than two people are gathered together in my name then??? What?

Exactly how many people does it take to constitute an illegal demonstration?
My family all meeting in one place would comprise more people than I saw in the video footage at the memorial. Would our meeting at that location in respect for a lost loved one constitute a crime? It feels like some people are just picking and choosing because they don't like the people involved.

I know lots of cops as personal friends. As someone else has already pointed out, it would be better if the police had called in more enforcements and avoided body slamming people who weren't endangering the public or the facility on camera. For most of us the problem is the lack of respect for the public that the arresting officers had. Where was their respect for families with small children who might be traumatized by watching protecters of the public, law enforcers, almost beating harmless kooks?
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Re: Arrested for dancing, hugging and kissing....in the US!!

The protesters are in the wrong in this video.
The police did a good job.
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Old 03.06.2011, 13:21
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The protesters are in the wrong in this video.
The police did a good job.
Yeh right!

The police should have simply walked (or pedalled) away and the whole provocation would have fallen flat on its face....
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Yeh right!

The police should have simply walked (or pedalled) away and the whole provocation would have fallen flat on its face....
Maybe. But that's just not the way things are done in the US. Black and white. You are either part of the solution or part of the problem. Obey the rules or be arrested - zero tolerance.

Either way, this was a set-up by people deliberately seeking to provoke a reaction. Where do you draw the line? Back to zero tolerance.

I'm also surprised by your position, AbFab, given your (perceived by me) lack of tolerance of threads discussing law breaking/rule bending in CH.
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Old 03.06.2011, 16:12
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Maybe. But that's just not the way things are done in the US. Black and white. You are either part of the solution or part of the problem. Obey the rules or be arrested - zero tolerance.

Either way, this was a set-up by people deliberately seeking to provoke a reaction. Where do you draw the line? Back to zero tolerance.

I'm also surprised by your position, AbFab, given your (perceived by me) lack of tolerance of threads discussing law breaking/rule bending in CH.
I'm all for law and order - when it has a point: no noise after 10pm and at lunchtimes, no bonfires, obey the speed limits.

But when you have a law that means couples who kiss or men who do an idiotic dance in a public place get thrown to ground and handcuffed, then "the law is an ass". The more so when the arresting officers appear in shorts and cycle helmets...
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Old 03.06.2011, 16:16
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I'm all for law and order - when it has a point: no noise after 10pm and at lunchtimes, no bonfires, obey the speed limits.

But when you have a law that means couples who kiss or men who do an idiotic dance in a public place get thrown to ground and handcuffed, then "the law is an ass". The more so when the arresting officers appear in shorts and cycle helmets...

I think this is more the equivalent of throwing a rock concert with pounding bass in a residential Swiss neighborhood from 9:45pm - 9:59pm.

They did it just to cause trouble and got what was coming to them.
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I'm all for law and order - when it has a point: no noise after 10pm and at lunchtimes, no bonfires, obey the speed limits.

But when you have a law that means couples who kiss or men who do an idiotic dance in a public place get thrown to ground and handcuffed, then "the law is an ass". The more so when the arresting officers appear in shorts and cycle helmets...
One might equally argue that your rules 'with a point' are also pointless, yes? Lots of young people would argue that your no noise after 10pm is 'pointless' and 'no fun' as well as your bon fire and speed limit rules.
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One might equally argue that your rules 'with a point' are also pointless, yes? Lots of young people would argue that your no noise after 10pm is 'pointless' and 'no fun' as well as your bon fire and speed limit rules.
What he said + that's their uniform - don't blame them for what they have to wear.
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