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Old 01.06.2011, 19:22
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Patients abused in Bristol [warning: shocking video]

i just saw this more than shocking news:


prison isn t much for people like that!!!!!!!
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Old 01.06.2011, 19:30
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prison isn t much for people like that!!!!!!!
I just happened to come across it on TV yesterday and was shocked at what I was seeing but even more shocked at what the authorities weren't seeing..!! Undercover controlling of such facilities should be a standard practice by the regulators of these places if they ever want to stop such barbaric behavior from abusive care workers.
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Old 01.06.2011, 20:08
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Re: Patients abused in Bristol

I feel a warning is due, that footage is very uncomfortable to say the least.

Shouldn't the Secretary of Health resign? I cannot believe this case, if it was one abusive person, but such a gang of them?
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Old 01.06.2011, 20:23
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The male nurse complained to the site management, then to the Government watchdog, then he resigned the job & went to the BBC Panorama team.

It is a large private company that claim about CHF 5,000 per month from the government for each patient.
I find it unbelievable that his complaints were ignored.
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Old 01.06.2011, 20:34
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Re: Patients abused in Bristol [warning: shocking video]

I just watched this on the news i am disgusted how can anyone treat/abuse anyone like this
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Old 01.06.2011, 20:44
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Re: Patients abused in Bristol [warning: shocking video]

Every news report seems to show even more horrendous footage. I feel so upset watching it.
Why are those involved in this cruelty just " suspended" as seems to be the case with any medical scandal. As they are easily identified they should be "sacked" and face criminal charges..
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Old 01.06.2011, 21:06
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Re: Patients abused in Bristol [warning: shocking video]

Sad isnt it, that it has to take such measures for the people on top to get off their arses and do something?
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Every news report seems to show even more horrendous footage. I feel so upset watching it.
Why are those involved in this cruelty just " suspended" as seems to be the case with any medical scandal. As they are easily identified they should be "sacked" and face criminal charges..
The news report I saw on BBC said there had been four arrests.

I bet that isn't the only care home in the UK which has this kind of abuse going on and I hope they are shaking in their shoes right now.

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I bet it isn't the only care in europe where this kind of shenanigans [edit by Mod: abuse] is going on! This kind of thing probably goes on in many other countries across europe but is kept quiet either that or they just don't have such good investigitive reporters like the BBC who can reveal it .....


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I bet that isn't the only care home in the UK which has this kind of abuse going on and I hope they are shaking in their shoes right now.


Edited by Longbyt. The situation is more serious than the word originally used for it.

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Re: Patients abused in Bristol [warning: shocking video]

Read about this but actually watching the footage was truely shocking.....
Really feel for the parent's who were shown the footage of their daughter.

All those involved should be named and shamed and
If I had it my way prison sentances just wouldn't cut it...........
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To clarify for non-native English speakers - has the meaning of the word shenanigans changed? In my youth it quite clearly meant mucking around, mild sorts of cheating, playing the fool. I haven't seen the video and have no intention of watching it, but by the reactions on here it sounds like something very different to me. I've looked in a Dictionary and it says much the same as I thought.
I'm not trying to imply that 'I know better' but if I am right, I'd hate anyone to get the wrong impression and use the word wrongly in a similar situation. Can anyone help me?
Duly changed to "abuse" but I didn't want to specify one kind of "situation" because I am sure the system is being abused in many dishonest ways from abuse and violence to corners being cut with hygiene and nutrition along with discrepancies in the finances.

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Re: Patients abused in Bristol [warning: shocking video]

I don't understand how someone can do those kind of things to other human being....
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Old 01.06.2011, 22:32
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I wasn't sure whether to be more outraged by the appalling behaviour of the care staff or the dreadfully manipulative nature of the television programme.

Then I remembered that I live in Glarnerland and can't do anything about either offence, so I put the kettle on instead.
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The male nurse complained to the site management, then to the Government watchdog, then he resigned the job & went to the BBC Panorama team.

It is a large private company that claim about CHF 5,000 per month from the government for each patient.
I find it unbelievable that his complaints were ignored.
That's the problem with putting private companies in charge of key services like this. They're not doing it out of the kindness of their hearts, they're doing it for the money. And usually they are expert at cost-cutting to the detriment of the people they are being paid to look after.

Similar stories of abuse are found in prisons which have been turned over to be run by private companies.

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Re: Patients abused in Bristol [warning: shocking video]

The fact that this abuse was taking place and had been filmed over a period of time did make me question why nothing had been done sooner to bring it to the attention of the relevant authorities and consequently bring it to an end.

Obviously the Panorama team would have been in possesion of this footage for a period of time - scripting, editing and all the other bits that go into makeing something viewer worthy - during which time one can only assume that further abuse would have been taking place.

According to the news, 4 people have been arrested today and 13 suspended from their positions in the home. I can only question why this has happened today when the level of abuse must have been known for quite some time.

Furthermore, I personally found it upsetting when certain parts of the film were shown to an individual's parents and as viewers we were allowed to see their reaction and distress.

Panorama certainly went out of their way to make good televison drama rather than stepping in and taking action sooner - thus perhaps providing less drama for the viewer.

Through my profession as a staff nurse and more importantly my role as a member of the human race, I aim to provide nursing care to the best of my ability and to respect all individuals. I believe that I can do something about this regardless of where I live and to turn a blind eye and ignore it would be paramount to agreeing to its continuation.
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The fact that this abuse was taking place and had been filmed over a period of time did make me question why nothing had been done sooner to bring it to the attention of the relevant authorities and consequently bring it to an end.

Obviously the Panorama team would have been in possesion of this footage for a period of time - scripting, editing and all the other bits that go into makeing something viewer worthy - during which time one can only assume that further abuse would have been taking place.

According to the news, 4 people have been arrested today and 13 suspended from their positions in the home. I can only question why this has happened today when the level of abuse must have been known for quite some time.

Furthermore, I personally found it upsetting when certain parts of the film were shown to an individual's parents and as viewers we were allowed to see their reaction and distress.
The parents asked to see the film and agreed to take part in the filming themselves.

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Panorama certainly went out of their way to make good televison drama rather than stepping in and taking action sooner - thus perhaps providing less drama for the viewer.

Through my profession as a staff nurse and more importantly my role as a member of the human race, I aim to provide nursing care to the best of my ability and to respect all individuals. I believe that I can do something about this regardless of where I live and to turn a blind eye and ignore it would be paramount to agreeing to its continuation.
I read an interview with the journalist who went undercover. He had to fight with himself not to intervene (as any normal person would do) but, in order to secure a more solid outcome he held himself back and allowed the abusers to continue and effectively incriminate themselves which would then make it easier to protect the residents in the longterm.

I agree it was hard to watch but I didn't feel that Panorama was making a television drama. It was hard-hitting but, let's face it, it succeeded where the regulatory body totally failed.

How would you have tackled it?
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Re: Patients abused in Bristol [warning: shocking video]

"How would you have tackled it?"

At the very least I would have verbalised my objection but when I think about it I would have physically intervened or even have maade a phone call to the police.

On the ward as staff, we have been told to set of the fire alarm if we feel we arre in danger - I assume that this would work both ways.

I absolutely agree that Panorama has brought a difficult issue to the fore and succeeded where regulatory bodies have failed but I still feel very uncomfortable that this abuse was filmed, and it was a horrific level of abuse, but no preventative action taken.
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Re: Patients abused in Bristol [warning: shocking video]

I do think the camera guy took long to catch as much possible on the camera since they knew it would be used later on in court. Obviously, in such a manipulated situation, when people have tried to beat corruption and actually report much earlier and failed, to have a really good and thorough evidence will have better outcome. I know, shocking to put the poor folks through even more misery, but otherwise it would have been just "he said, they said, he saw, they denied" scenario.

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Old 02.06.2011, 07:19
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I think they said that the cost per week for each resident is 3500 pounds. I am guessing that there are at least 20 in the unit? The unit has 24 bedrooms. It could easily be full so bringing in 4,368,000 pounds per year. The regular carers get 16,000 pounds per year. then there is perhaps a senior overseer. I think that the company has tow clinicians.
This is a private company and as such is committed to making a profit. It's not a bad little business.

I wouldn't blame the sadistic knuckleheads masquerading as caregivers.

It doesn't look like these carers had any training or oversight. As a teacher I have been trained in restraint techniques specifically with emotionally behaviorally disturbed students. I have never had to use the techniques. My sisters have also been trained to work in units such as Castlebeck. Each time there is an incident (any physical contact) it must be logged. Basically you avoid physical contact at all costs, which is difficult when you have a natural tendency to hug someone, to comfort them. It seems that I have learned sightly different restraint techniques to my sisters. Which is not surprising as there is always constant retraining and new methods. Basically you must avoid putting any pressure on their chests or head. You can easily cause someone to have breathing difficulties.The most vulnerable area is the neck, you must protect it. The big girl who was the most victimized resident looked at one time as if she was having breathing difficulties from a restraint, they are lucky that she didn't die. You should also remember that medications might make these residents even more susceptible to injury.

I would blame the watchdog and management, whom I think know about the situation but don't want to rock the boat while they are drawing a nice salary. One of the residents had a massive bruise on the inside of her upper arm. Management are trained to recognize signs of abuse, they must have deliberately ignored the signs.

Anyway here is Castlebecks response. I don't think that they can save their skins on this one, even if they make take the measures that they say they will. They will close, wait for things to blow over, reform in a different company and star up again, perhaps even in the same building. I believe that if they really want to make amends, they should put the whistleblower ( supported by the necessary training) in charge of the oversight commission for such units and able to make recommendations to the government watchdog.

http://www.castlebeck.com/panorama.php

Thank you Panorama!
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This makes me so sick and angry. My father is in a nursing home, in ZH, and I just can't believe such things can even happen.

I would not say such incidents happen in Switzerland (or maybe they do, if anyone remembers the molestations in Biel or Berne), but on a much much smaller scale I can confirm that inappropriate behaviour from staff towards dependent persons do occur. Not physical abuse, but more on a emotional level.

It makes me really mad like hell, because non-private care in Switzerland starts around 7500 (we pay way much more).

Sadly if you say something to the Gesundheitsdirektion (or health department), they are all like "we only act if REALLY something will happen". So great, you just have to wait until everything is completely out of control.

While writing this, I also think, how will it be like when I'm 70 or so, when one does not have much choice than either stay at home with Spitex or go to a nursing home. And at what price? For 100% of care giving the bill today is above CHF 10'000.- For this price you can't even expect a nice nurse.

And who can afford this?
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