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It's nice that they are interested, and I welcome the opportunity to talk about my country. 29 42.65%
I find it ill-mannered and annoying. 5 7.35%
I find it amusing, and rather enjoy baiting them. 9 13.24%
I tolerate it with good humour, although I'd rather talk about other things. 25 36.76%
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That's probably a good thing- it is so annoying when you get the theme song stuck in your head. The Ernie the Milkman song wasn't bad.
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That's probably a good thing- it is so annoying when you get the theme song stuck in your head. The Ernie the Milkman song wasn't bad.
Gee thanks. As soon as I read those words, that's all I could hear in my brain.
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Gee thanks. As soon as I read those words, that's all I could hear in my brain.
I'd rather discuss why Americans are afraid of being naked in a sauna. Perhaps that is the key to understanding American politics?
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I'd rather discuss why Americans are afraid of being naked in a sauna. Perhaps that is the key to understanding American politics?
Ah, but that's easy! The values of the puritan forefathers has carried down the generations. Americans tend to feel that sex and nakedness (even when unrelated to sex) is bad, shameful.
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I'd rather discuss why Americans are afraid of being naked in a sauna. Perhaps that is the key to understanding American politics?
I assume we are not talking about native Americans?
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Personally I try to avoid speaking politics with most Europeans as they (and this is a generalization based on a majority people I met not all the people I've met) are quite arrogant and ignorant of the U.S., our policies, our culture, the diversity of opinion in the 300 million +, 50 states (plus territories) we call the United States of America.

That's all well and good, and if it was just that, I would ignore it, but at the same time they act this way they are also accusing Americans of being ignorant, cowboys, gun nuts, etc.

I once asked a guy from Austria..."Why should any American know anything about your country??? What do you do that requires study on? I've spent about 1/3 of my adult life in East Asia, and South Korea, Japan, China, and Taiwan are doing things that I feel are more important than what is going on in Austria, and you know nothing about them? So is it you think Europe is the entire world the U.S. needs to study?"

The guy then mentioned that Americans only speak one language. I then asked him why Americans need to speak another language if they don't live outside of America or work with foreign nationals at a domestic level? I then told him most Austrians (he speaks 3 languages, but most folks around him do not) and most Swiss German speakers only speak German and their dialect. The reason is the German language economic market is huge, if you are Dutch, Swedish,or Czech it might behoove you to learn another language for expanded opportunities, but other than that...uhm...

I live in Switzerland so I want to learn the local language, but if not, I would not be learning German. Why would I? It is not beneficial for most jobs in my field in the U.S. While working in the U.S., I did interact with foreigners for work, but all work was done in English, the foreigners were Japanese and Indian.

Most people do enough to get by, no more, no less. But for a hobby, how you grew up, etc there is no reason you need to learn another language living in America.

Then the moron mentioned Mexican or Latino immigrants in America. I laughed. America is not becoming bilingual, what is happening is those who don't speak English live in ghettos. The language of money and power is English, so most immigrants (as always) learn that, and if they don't their kids do. Nothing has changed really, people learn the language of power. Until some Spanish speakers take over areas of the U.S., no one will be learning Spanish in mass.

He looked dumbfounded and dropped the subject with a nasty remark. A$$hole.

Anyway. I think Americans may be a bit ignorant about global affairs, but Europeans are often as well (when you consider the entire world is not Europe) the difference is Americans aren't arrogant about their ignorance, on average we don't have a culture that thinks it is well and good to pretend you have knowledge you don't so you can look "sophisticated", when I was young we had a word for that, "a poser".

Other than that, when I do talk about politics it is more historical or local to Switzerland or the EU, and I tend to find Swiss agreeing with me for the most part.

What I wish is that the U.S. pulled everyone of it's armed forces out of Europe (as Gates somewhat implied might occur one day with NATO falling apart) and moved to the real up and coming center of gravity, the South and East China Sea.

I wonder how Europeans will like dealing with Putin all alone, no barrier between these great European peoples. Something tells me they will not, because Russia will move to fill the power vacuum, and that will eventually lead to re-militarization in some Western European nations, probably within a decade. Oh well...police all those sea lanes yourselves. Americans should make it quite clear that pirates attacking U.S. or Eastern Allie ships (Japan, etc) will be dealt with in a very nasty way, but the UK, France, Germany...yeah...who cares.

Hell look at Libya, the U.S. didn't even rush into that, it was France and then later the UK, now NATO in Europe is running out of munitions and expects the "the ignorant war-like American to foot the bill for oil that primarily goes to EUROPE, America barely gets any oil from Libya), oh wait, wait...it's all for democracy...opps, forgot.

NO more "free rider" and bitching about what you aren't paying for. IN the end it will be good for Europe. They will finally put together that military force France has been talking about for 2 decades. The real issue then is, something is going to give.

Can't have shrinking populations, all this social welfare, and a real military budget...not going to work.

That will be quite amusing to watch.

Okay, rant over. In the end, I think it is jealousy for the most part, envy...they want to be us, and they think that we think about them as much as they think about us, but it is quite false, there are Americans will millions of US$ who don't have any clue where Zurich, Switzerland or Milano Italy is, and guess what? It doesn't matter.

All roads lead to Rome, but I bet the average Roman was quite ignorant of Persia for example let alone even most German or Celtic tribes not under their control.

When China is on top, everyone will look to them, know about them, criticize them, wonder why Chinese are so ignorant of their country and culture and does not return the respect or admiration. So it is...
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Old 11.06.2011, 15:49
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I agree with a lot of waht you say- except when it comes to Latinos. If you live in California or even Florida you may be expected to know some Spanish. There are many wealthy Spanish speakers around- it is becoming a sought after business language. Any public or business answering service, now has the Spanish option. I welcome the US becoming bilingual
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Okay, rant over. In the end, I think it is jealousy for the most part, envy...they want to be us, and they think that we think about them as much as they think about us, but it is quite false, there are Americans will millions of US$ who don't have any clue where Zurich, Switzerland or Milano Italy is, and guess what? It doesn't matter.

All roads lead to Rome, but I bet the average Roman was quite ignorant of Persia for example let alone even most German or Celtic tribes not under their control.

When China is on top, everyone will look to them, know about them, criticize them, wonder why Chinese are so ignorant of their country and culture and does not return the respect or admiration. So it is...
That was one hell of a rant, and most of it I won't even bother with, it isn't worth it.

But talk about arrogance. Jealousy? That strikes of American imperialism and brainwashing/conditioning from childhood if I've ever heard it.

China won't be on top for quite some time to come, really. Too many problems there for them to continue moving upward as quickly as they have.

All roads may lead to Rome, but you know, there's a fiddle playing in Washington.
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Anyway. I think Americans may be a bit ignorant about global affairs, but Europeans are often as well (when you consider the entire world is not Europe) the difference is Americans aren't arrogant about their ignorance, on average we don't have a culture that thinks it is well and good to pretend you have knowledge you don't so you can look "sophisticated", when I was young we had a word for that, "a poser".
Lots of posers in the US, don't kid yourself. I think it's human nature more than than culture to hide behind some sort of arrogance when your ignorance shows. I don't know where you're from, but I know plenty of US citizens who are quite arrogant when shown to be ignorant.

Personally, if someone wants to discuss politics with me, it depends on the politics and the discussant. I don't like people to be in my face, I don't like to argue for the sake of argument. So don't invade my space. And I have gone into a Sauna in the alltogether (with my towel, of course).
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I once asked a guy from Austria..."Why should any American know anything about your country??? What do you do that requires study on? I've spent about 1/3 of my adult life in East Asia, and South Korea, Japan, China, and Taiwan are doing things that I feel are more important than what is going on in Austria, and you know nothing about them? So is it you think Europe is the entire world the U.S. needs to study?"

He looked dumbfounded and dropped the subject with a nasty remark. A$$hole.
I'm sure that because it was a nasty remark & I can guarantee he thought you were an a$$hole too.

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Sure they are. You seem to have selective "seeing" if you think otherwise.


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In the end, I think it is jealousy for the most part, envy...they want to be us, and they think that we think about them as much as they think about us, but it is quite false, there are Americans will millions of US$ who don't have any clue where Zurich, Switzerland or Milano Italy is, and guess what? It doesn't matter.
Yep, perfect example about those Americans sure not being arrogant about their ignorance.
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I live in Switzerland so I want to learn the local language, but if not, I would not be learning German.
What I really want to know is: would you go naked into a sauna?
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What I really want to know is: would you go naked into a sauna?
I did, but with a towel thank goodness. All my British friends came in with their swimsuits on!
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Re: Americans: Foreigners who want to talk politics - boring, annoying or harmless?

Dear AmericanGotWorkVisa,

Due to individuals such as yourself (who fortunately happen to be few and far between) the rest of us have to put up with a good deal genuine feeling from other people.... who have listened with astonishment to this kind of "superiority" discourse.

What is sad is when we're all lumped together.

There is not one nation that is better than another.

By the way, JR is so 80s ....
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There is not one nation that is better than another.
... apart from England, that is.
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Dear AmericanGotWorkVisa,

Due to individuals such as yourself (who fortunately happen to be few and far between) the rest of us have to put up with a good deal genuine feeling from other people.... who have listened with astonishment to this kind of "superiority" discourse.

What is sad is when we're all lumped together.

There is not one nation that is better than another.

By the way, JR is so 80s ....
amen. anyway, who is this jr you speak about ?

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Most people do enough to get by, no more, no less. But for a hobby, how you grew up, etc there is no reason you need to learn another language living in America.

Then the moron mentioned Mexican or Latino immigrants in America. I laughed. America is not becoming bilingual, what is happening is those who don't speak English live in ghettos. The language of money and power is English, so most immigrants (as always) learn that, and if they don't their kids do. Nothing has changed really, people learn the language of power. Until some Spanish speakers take over areas of the U.S., no one will be learning Spanish in mass.
and i don't know what 'america' you live in, but any smarty pants in a major city in the states knows they need to learn spanish. there is a mass movement to learn spanish across the u.s. america is not becoming bilingual? that's funny. bilingual classes are all over the u.s public schools and parents are fighting to have their children in dual language classes involving spanish and english. and considering the crisis that goes on there, i know many people who are doing fine speaking only spanish...much better than many monolingual people who find themselves left behind while the world (and job market) change.

americans need to speak another language for many reasons, if nothing more so they don't become so deluded that they are the center of the world (while they aren't) or self serving, close minded and fossilized in their idea of what america was, as opposed to what it really is.


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Lots of posers in the US, don't kid yourself. I think it's human nature more than than culture to hide behind some sort of arrogance when your ignorance shows. I don't know where you're from, but I know plenty of US citizens who are quite arrogant when shown to be ignorant.

Personally, if someone wants to discuss politics with me, it depends on the politics and the discussant. I don't like people to be in my face, I don't like to argue for the sake of argument. So don't invade my space. And I have gone into a Sauna in the alltogether (with my towel, of course).
But Americangotworkvisa gotta a good point there. There is no comparison between Euro posers vs American posers...I've had very similar experiences to his. Europeans do think that they're better than the rest of the world because of Ferrari Gucci Van Gogh Prada Picasso etc. I've been told this...
I don't know of any Americans who brag about Nike? or Boeing...

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and i don't know what 'america' you live in, but any smarty pants in a major city in the states knows they need to learn spanish. there is a mass movement to learn spanish across the u.s. america is not becoming bilingual? that's funny.
I'll bet anything the Swiss will speak Turkish or Serbian before we see this "mass movement" you're talking about...

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But Americangotworkvisa gotta a good point there. There is no comparison between Euro posers vs American posers...I've had very similar experiences to his. Europeans do think that they're better than the rest of the world because of Ferrari Gucci Van Gogh Prada Picasso etc. I've been told this...
I don't know of any Americans who brag about Nike? or Boeing...
No, they just brag about the whole country and how everything is better there. (of course not all people do, but since we're generalizing)
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No, they just brag about the whole country and how everything is better there. (of course not all people do, but since we're generalizing)
While that may qualify as some sort of uncalled for patriotism, they're not bashing Europe or Europeans.

Now Europeans do bash Americans on all occasions...I needn't tell you.
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While that may qualify as some sort of uncalled for patriotism, they're not bashing Europe or Europeans.

Now Europeans do bash Americans on all occasions...I needn't tell you.
Nah, just the rest of the world in general, no need to be country-specific.
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really? go to new york. or los angeles. or any other major city in the u.s. everyone there is speaking spanish...

this is why talking politics with americans doesn't work. there are too many different americas to begin with...
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