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It's nice that they are interested, and I welcome the opportunity to talk about my country. 29 42.65%
I find it ill-mannered and annoying. 5 7.35%
I find it amusing, and rather enjoy baiting them. 9 13.24%
I tolerate it with good humour, although I'd rather talk about other things. 25 36.76%
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Old 11.06.2011, 23:23
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Nah, just the rest of the world in general, no need to be country-specific.
Yes indeed, but Europeans over-practise when it comes to 'who can knock down the Americans first'

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really? go to new york. or los angeles. or any other major city in the u.s. everyone there is speaking spanish...

this is why talking politics with americans doesn't work. there are too many different americas to begin with...
I'll tell you, that is in way indicative of Spanish gaining recognition...here in Basel, at the train station, I mostly hear Turkish...

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I'll tell you, that is in way indicative of Spanish gaining recognition...here in Basel, at the train station, I mostly hear Turkish...
as nice as basel is, i don't think i would compare it (population wise) to new york, los angeles, dallas, miami, etc.

and it isn't spanish gaining recognition, it is people who speak spanish and are a part of the economy and those who understand that and know that they have to learn it if they want to be able to compete for jobs.

and it extends to many areas. i know many people turned down for positions because they didn't speak spanish. it isn't recognition, it is now a full on need.
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Old 11.06.2011, 23:55
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Re: Americans: Foreigners who want to talk politics - boring, annoying or harmless?

It is claimed that 12% of the people in USA are Spanish speaking.

Also interesting to note that the largest ethnic group in USA are of German origin.

There was a BBC documentary some years ago about "GI Brides" (English girls who married GIs during WWII).

Some of them found when they arrived in USA in, for example, Pennsylvania that they were living in German speaking towns! Of course that was 1945/6, now there are far fewer areas (like Amish areas) where German is the main language.
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as nice as basel is, i don't think i would compare it (population wise) to new york, los angeles, dallas, miami, etc.

and it isn't spanish gaining recognition, it is people who speak spanish and are a part of the economy and those who understand that and know that they have to learn it if they want to be able to compete for jobs.

and it extends to many areas. i know many people turned down for positions because they didn't speak spanish. it isn't recognition, it is now a full on need.
That is because sudacas are too lazy to learn English. Spanish speakers, for some reason, are very lazy when it comes to adapting to a new culture.

Does America hold classes in Vietnamese, Chinese, German, French, or any other language? No, it is the Spanish speakers that cost the US taxpayers so much money.
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That is because sudacas are too lazy to learn English. Spanish speakers, for some reason, are very lazy when it comes to adapting to a new culture.

Does America hold classes in Vietnamese, Chinese, German, French, or any other language? No, it is the Spanish speakers that cost the US taxpayers so much money.
funny how people feel the need to resort to name calling that is unnecessary to try to make a point ...

actually there are also bilingual classes in mandarin, tagalog, russian and other languages, it just depends on the school and the neighborhood.

and it's always interesting to hear comments like that when there are plenty of english speakers around the world too 'lazy' to learn the language of the country they live in as well.

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That is because sudacas are too lazy to learn English. Spanish speakers, for some reason, are very lazy when it comes to adapting to a new culture.

Does America hold classes in Vietnamese, Chinese, German, French, or any other language? No, it is the Spanish speakers that cost the US taxpayers so much money.
for those of you who aren't familiar with the term-

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sudaca

my mother always says the words you use say more about yourself then those about whom you are speaking
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Yes indeed, but Europeans over-practise when it comes to 'who can knock down the Americans first'
This is true. And I am not even Yank, the minute people hear my accent actually, they start with this long memorized list of all that US has done wrong, all the presidents, the distant past included. Very annoying and a very weird European sport, when you ask questions they often don't really know much about it. Seems to be trendy.
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funny how people feel the need to resort to name calling that is unnecessary to try to make a point ...

actually there are also bilingual classes in mandarin, tagalog, russian and other languages, it just depends on the school and the neighborhood.

and it's always interesting to hear comments like that when there are plenty of english speakers around the world too 'lazy' to learn the language of the country they live in as well.



for those of you who aren't familiar with the term-

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sudaca

my mother always says the words you use say more about yourself then those about whom you are speaking
Where in California? I don't know of any public schools that teach in
any other language, other than Spanish. California is broke. Perhaps,
that is the reason why.

For some reason, people think that we owe the Central and South Americans something.
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That is because sudacas are too lazy to learn English. Spanish speakers, for some reason, are very lazy when it comes to adapting to a new culture.

Does America hold classes in Vietnamese, Chinese, German, French, or any other language? No, it is the Spanish speakers that cost the US taxpayers so much money.
And how many Americans speak a second language? I do mean those who do not come as first generation immigrants or the children of them. Does that mean those who don't know a second language are very lazy?

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Dear AmericanGotWorkVisa,

Due to individuals such as yourself (who fortunately happen to be few and far between) the rest of us have to put up with a good deal genuine feeling from other people.... who have listened with astonishment to this kind of "superiority" discourse.

What is sad is when we're all lumped together.

There is not one nation that is better than another.

By the way, JR is so 80s ....
LOL...uhm...are you one of those Americans ashamed of being American who go about apologizing for the rest of us, and agreeing with foreigners who bash your home country and self to curry favor??

Here are a couple of things about me:

1) I am not afraid to be disliked. Never have been. I have friends of many nationalities, and I've lived around (this is the second time outside the U.S.). I don't cower when people are trashing my home, unless it is for a legitimate reason.

In my experience, it depends on the nationality, but many Europeans are very nationalist and they don't remotely stand for anyone trashing their nation but I'm supposed to cower because I'm American? LOL Think again.

You have to realize that as long as America is on top it will be widely admired, and widely hated. That's human nature, and it won't change. America will never make everyone happy because any powerful nation has interests that force it to do things people don't like. It will be the same way with the next nation that is "on top"...and Americans will join the "hater brigade" (some of them) at that time...

Notice the Austrian I mentioned gave unsolicited criticism of the U.S., to me, for no other reason than I was American. That is uncalled for, rude. I don't go about attacking random Swiss people in that fashion. I expect the same respect I give. If anyone gets in my face and comes off that stupid, I give them hell. No mercy, and I like it. Hopefully that is the last time that moron gets in an American's face like that.

Some advise...have some pride and grow a pair. Don't defend America mindlessly...our nation is not perfect, but do bow down and grovel either, or maybe you left America because you hate it (not an uncommon reason I guess for x-pats, I met a lot of Brits who hate the UK, Germans who hate Germany, etc...if so, have fun...stay gone).


2) Notice no one on here gave a remotely logical argument as to why I'm wrong, I just "am" because they feel so. Yeah, whatever, not even worth responding to. If the argument is sound and I am wrong, I will freely admit it, and I have admitted being wrong several times on this board, no problem. But I don't respond to nonsense.

Sometimes reality is what it is, if it is nice or not, if we like it or not. I don't think I said was over the top and no one showed me where I was wrong, sometimes folks just want to here what they want to here, for emotional reasons, insecurity, etc. Whatever...not my issue.

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Where in California? I don't know of any public schools that teach in
any other language, other than Spanish. California is broke. Perhaps,
that is the reason why.

For some reason, people think that we owe the Central and South Americans something.
Kills me when California is used as an example of complaints against a need for more people to speak Spanish. Families of Spanish speaking people have lived in California since before it was a state, why, when we have no official language in the US, should they HAVE to learn English? Same goes for Florida, Texas, Arizona and New Mexico.

Use Switzerland as an example and simply get it straight in your head that it is perfectly normal and natural for generations of families to carry on speaking the same language in the areas that they have called home for hundreds of years.

While of course there is no denying that there are folks who have immigrated from Central and South America to live there since those States joined the Union, that is no reason to deny the linguistic heritage of the places in question. (More inclusion of First Peoples / Native American languages could go a long way too but that's not a "just about to go to sleep" subject to get into for me.)
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In the end, I think it is jealousy for the most part, envy...they want to be us, and they think that we think about them as much as they think about us, but it is quite false, there are Americans will millions of US$ who don't have any clue where Zurich, Switzerland or Milano Italy is, and guess what? It doesn't matter.
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Sometimes reality is what it is, if it is nice or not, if we like it or not. I don't think I said was over the top and no one showed me where I was wrong, sometimes folks just want to here what they want to here, for emotional reasons, insecurity, etc. Whatever...not my issue.
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Where in California? I don't know of any public schools that teach in
any other language, other than Spanish. California is broke. Perhaps,
that is the reason why.

For some reason, people think that we owe the Central and South Americans something.

yeah I'm from DC, and I've spent time in New York, Chicago, and even Houston, Texas (the last for 4 years).

It is true that there are low service level jobs in Spanish, very true, and some call center work, bank tellers, etc. However, in the centers of power of these states, the political power, the professional organizations, the economic power centers are all English.

Until that changes English will remain the dominate language in the U.S.

It is true that most American students, who study a foreign language study Spanish.

Two reasons for that.

1) We have a lot of Hispanics (13% of the population)
2) Many (since I was in the high school in the 1990's) see Spanish as easier than French, German, Japanese, Russian...the more traditional languages offered (now Mandarin is making a rise as well).

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Nice persiflage, keep up the good work
No it is not "persiflage", it is reality. That by itself angers people. The reality is that non-Americans tend to think more about America (much more) than Americans think anything about them, if ever, and that has to do with the power dynamic. That is reality, if we like it or not, well some people will never like that.

It doesn't matter who is "on top" the more powerful you are as a company, a government, an individual you will have enemies. it is human nature, haters are like flies to honey and at least the intelligent ones at least try to rationalize it...most don't... Oh well, haters gonna hate...

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Where in California? I don't know of any public schools that teach in
any other language, other than Spanish. California is broke. Perhaps,
that is the reason why.
i never said california. it's in new york.
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Just learned that some states are de facto bilingual like Louisiana and Maine (eng. & French), New Mexico (eng. & Spanish). But I sense that the English first discourse is tainted with some derogatory attitude and intolerance towards criticism. I find the multilingual culture of Switzerland should be used as reference.

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No, it is the Spanish speakers that cost the US taxpayers so much money.
you sure wall street bankers or belligerent g.w bush policy were not the biggest Black-holes of us taxpayer money?

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Re: Americans: Foreigners who want to talk politics - boring, annoying or harmless?

I guess I will be contributing to the downhill roll of this topic ... but I would like to point out that the U.S. has no official language: English is the de facto national language (and yes, I stole that phrase from Wikipedia).
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you sure wall street bankers or belligerent g.w bush policy were not the biggest Black-holes of us taxpayer money?
Mortgage industry collapse came about as a result of a law introduced
during the Clinton administration. The banks/mortgage banks then
allowed people to buy houses that they could not afford....

i.e. 500,000 house for someone making 50,000 per year.

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Just learned that some states are de facto bilingual like Louisiana and Maine (eng. & French), New Mexico (eng. & Spanish). But I sense that the English first discourse is tainted with some derogatory attitude and intolerance towards criticism. I find the multilingual culture of Switzerland should be used as reference.
very few in Louisiana are bilingual although they learn French in school.

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Kills me when California is used as an example of complaints against a need for more people to speak Spanish. Families of Spanish speaking people have lived in California since before it was a state, why, when we have no official language in the US, should they HAVE to learn English? Same goes for Florida, Texas, Arizona and New Mexico.

Use Switzerland as an example and simply get it straight in your head that it is perfectly normal and natural for generations of families to carry on speaking the same language in the areas that they have called home for hundreds of years.

While of course there is no denying that there are folks who have immigrated from Central and South America to live there since those States joined the Union, that is no reason to deny the linguistic heritage of the places in question. (More inclusion of First Peoples / Native American languages could go a long way too but that's not a "just about to go to sleep" subject to get into for me.)
Sure. There is no reason to deny the heritage of whichever language speakers. They should learn to speak English as well. This often not
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Not necessarily, many people learn a language in school, but they
really never have the chance to use it.
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LOL...uhm...are you one of those Americans ashamed of being American who go about apologizing for the rest of us, and agreeing with foreigners who bash your home country and self to curry favor??

(...)

Some advise...have some pride and grow a pair. Don't defend America mindlessly...our nation is not perfect, but do bow down and grovel either, or maybe you left America because you hate it (not an uncommon reason I guess for x-pats, I met a lot of Brits who hate the UK, Germans who hate Germany, etc...if so, have fun...stay gone).
Love my country (ies) and heritage very much.... am a hybrid

Don't turn the discussion around.. you're trying to say that because I don't agree with you.
No.... it has nothing to do with the country, it has to do with your attitude.
Your tone is superior and condescending.
People, other people won't remember what you're saying but they will remember your emotion and attitude.

My advice: If you are surprised that people react to you, then perhaps you should change the way you address them.
A little understanding, listening and appreciation of the cultures around you, will not take anything away from who you are or the love for the US.
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America..where is America? Is that a country between Russia and Cuba? Are they a former colony of Spain, right?

In reality most of people are indifferent towards Americans. The only bothering thing is they are too loud.
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