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Old 08.06.2011, 19:21
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Amnesty - over 1,000,000 CHF golden handshake

Amensty gave over 830,000 to a departing director.

They (used to?) do important work but seem to have lost the plot.

At least one person was saved from Poverty...
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Old 08.06.2011, 19:28
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Re: Amnesty - over 1,000,000 CHF golden handshake

Not a huge sum for a departing head of a Global Organisation. They are serious on investigating any irregularities with this payment.

Did you post this because Amnesty are so vocal about Israel's record of Human Rights abuses of political prisoners ?
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Old 08.06.2011, 19:39
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Re: Amnesty - over 1,000,000 CHF golden handshake

This "Global organization" is a charity - why should kid's pocket money pay for golden handshakes ? why should people volunteer their time and effort when other employees get such huge sums after they leave ?

Why are they paid such sums if they can't see the obvious outcomes of their decisions ?
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Old 08.06.2011, 19:47
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This "Global organization" is a charity - why should kid's pocket money pay for golden handshakes ? why should people volunteer their time and effort when other employees get such huge sums after they leave ?

Why are they paid such sums if they can't see the obvious outcomes of their decisions ?
They are a global organisation that needs commercial skills from other experienced global heads. They need to compete, they need to expand, they need to be run effectively. These skills do not come cheap.

People volunteer because they represent a worthy cause and perform necessary work. I was informed of this payment in March. Very little fuss internally or from members followed. If that figure was 8.3M , or 83M , then yes, maybe a fuss would be made, but 4 years salary on leaving is not much for that position.
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Old 08.06.2011, 19:50
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They are a global organisation that needs commercial skills from other experienced global heads. They need to compete, they need to expand, they need to be run effectively. These skills do not come cheap.

People volunteer because they represent a worthy cause and perform necessary work. I was informed of this payment in March. Very little fuss internally or from members followed. If that figure was 8.3M , or 83M , then yes, maybe a fuss would be made, but 4 years salary on leaving is not much for that position.
Absolutely. I've made this point about politicians before especially with references to the "expenses" "scandal". I'm all up for buying them Ferraris and homes in the country with "taxpayers' money" if it'll attract a better quality of MP.
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Re: Amnesty - over 1,000,000 CHF golden handshake

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They are serious on investigating any irregularities with this payment.
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Very little fuss internally or from members followed.
If no fuss and all is above board - why investigate ?


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You'll be voting Berlusconi, then


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They need to compete, they need to expand, they need to be run effectively.
How does Amensty measure "competitiveness" ? It's amazing that there is a market in Human rights.
"Expand" ? why should they expand ? they should be fighting against human rights abuse.Well, I guess that by doing so they will be putting themselves out of business.

As for being run effectively - outsourcing sounds interesting. Also - effective should be with minimum administrative costs.

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Old 08.06.2011, 20:16
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Re: Amnesty - over 1,000,000 CHF golden handshake

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Did you post this because Amnesty are so vocal about Israel's record of Human Rights abuses of political prisoners ?
Shock horror. Amnesty is a biased organisation with a political agenda. Who would have thought it of them?
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Old 08.06.2011, 20:19
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How does Amensty measure "competitiveness" ? It's amazing that there is a market in Human rights.
"Expand" ? why should they expand ? they should be fighting against human rights abuse.Well, I guess that by doing so they will be putting themselves out of business.

As for being run effectively - outsourcing sounds interesting. Also - effective should be with minimum administrative costs.
Amazing there is a market in human rights? Why on earth? Amnesty doesn't deal in "human rights" anyway but rather in campaigning and marketing. Like Saatchi and Saatchi. And I won't be voting for Mr B. My only point is, the NHS IT project has cost around 4.5 billion pounds so far and it going to be abandoned because of how over budget it is. Pay the top 5 people on the project 2 million pounds each and you've got a much better chance of doing the same thing on budget and on time like they do in the private sector - saving in this case 3 billion pounds.
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If no fuss and all is above board - why investigate ?

To clear the issue up independently...
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Shock horror. Amnesty is a biased organisation with a political agenda. Who would have thought it of them?
Biased against who ? Criminal governments ? I hope so. Probably in the same way the Police are biased against those that break the law.
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How does Amensty measure "competitiveness" ? It's amazing that there is a market in Human rights.
There is a huge market in charity. A very competitive market these days.
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Re: Amnesty - over 1,000,000 CHF golden handshake

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There is a huge market in charity. A very competitive market these days.
There is no denying there is a measure of profit and financial reward/incentive for those that run it. Same as any other charity.

It's economical sense to pay 2M a year more to the right person that can generate 200M a year more in revenue.
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Re: Amnesty - over 1,000,000 CHF golden handshake

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Pay the top 5 people on the project 2 million pounds each and you've got a much better chance of doing the same thing on budget and on time like they do in the private sector - saving in this case 3 billion pounds.
Worked for the banks, didn't it ? or maybe the top bankers were not paid enough ?

There are plenty of examples of projects who paid huge sums for the top 5/10/50 salaries yet failed.
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There is no denying there is a measure of profit and financial reward/incentive for those that run it. Same as any other charity.

It's economical sense to pay 2M a year more to the right person that can generate 200M a year more in revenue.
At least there is no pretence of ideology - Amensty is a business. like Coca cola, volvo or Blackwater.

Did she really bring in all these extra donations ? how does one measure the performance of "a human rights director" ?
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how does one measure the performance of "a human rights director" ?
Carefully.
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Carefully.
Obvioulsy not carefully enough - look at her key initiatives :

Closing Guantanamo, stopping violence against women, "improving Amnesty's response to human rights crises"

Makes the NHS IT project look like a resounding success.
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Worked for the banks, didn't it ? or maybe the top bankers were not paid enough ?

There are plenty of examples of projects who paid huge sums for the top 5/10/50 salaries yet failed.
Yeah, but these organizations then also share a "culture of failure", if you want to say so.
Or the organizations were simply not ready to master the project (internally dysfunctional, fiefdoms, kingdoms infighting each other, intrigues etc.pp.)
When top-management is oblivious to such things and just thinks from quarter to quarter, there's no hope and no bottom.
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Obvioulsy not carefully enough - look at her key initiatives :

Closing Guantanamo, stopping violence against women, "improving Amnesty's response to human rights crises"

Makes the NHS IT project look like a resounding success.
Better to pay her off and say goodbye eh ?
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Better to pay her off and say goodbye eh ?
Yes, It may have been a pay off rather than a golden handshake.
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Yes, It may have been a pay off rather than a golden handshake.
Money well spent then ?
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