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Yes - first class passengers pay for peace and quiet 17 85.00%
No - parents should be allowed to fly with their children in first class 3 15.00%
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Old 29.06.2011, 16:18
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this is still discrimination..... Obviously, if the richer people of the world have a problem, they can take another airline.
As you'd know if you've ever had any experience of travelling for business, 95% of the time it's not about being 'richer' or privileged. On long hauls it's mainly about being able to do your job properly at the other end. Flying to say, L.A. & back within a few days is not exactly fun, tbh.
As a photographer, on the long haul shoots I've done, I'm often straight off the plane into a production meeting or location reccies, etc & then have to start the shoot at 7/8am the next day with a ton of technical stuff to get right & continue for however many days straight.
A bad long haul on the way out & I'm buggered.

Frankly there's no quicker recipe for a bad flight than a noisy baby.
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I don't have double standards. I'm all for kids being allowed to be kids and there are places in the world that both kids and adults need to be tolerant of each other and share. Some places kids need to have priority, others it's adults who deserve it.

Pushchair sections on trams/ball pit at Ikea* = kids
1st class on planes/adult only environments = adults

*sorry mirfield, you do not class as a kid
Then I guess I wasn't talking to you!
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Old 29.06.2011, 16:36
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As you'd know if you've ever had any experience of travelling for business, 95% of the time it's not about being 'richer' or privileged. On long hauls it's mainly about being able to do your job properly at the other end. Flying to say, L.A. & back within a few days is not exactly fun, tbh.
As a photographer, on the long haul shoots I've done, I'm often straight off the plane into a production meeting or location reccies, etc & then have to start the shoot at 7/8am the next day with a ton of technical stuff to get right & continue for however many days straight.
A bad long haul on the way out & I'm buggered.

Frankly there's no quicker recipe for a bad flight than a noisy baby.
But you can use ear plugs!
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Old 29.06.2011, 16:42
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But you can use ear plugs!
You can use another airline.
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Old 29.06.2011, 16:45
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You can use another airline.
Yes those who ban kids!
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But you can use ear plugs!
No you can't, that doesn't keep out the noise at the frequencies they scream at. Nor do electronic noise cancelling headsets since you need to be able to hear the cabin crew at all times... So those little noisemakers should be in their own section, right at the back of the plane. Call it the Family class, like on the CFF/SBB intercity trains. Remember, those paying for first/business class subsidize YOUR economy ticket directly.

But for those who really want to travel without someone else's offspring, try hiring a private jet, it's gotten a *lot* cheaper of late ( www.lunajets.com for ex).
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Re: Malaysia Airlines bans babies in first-class

Wrong policy. Those cute babies all deserve a upgrade to first class far far away from me.
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Old 29.06.2011, 17:03
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No you can't, that doesn't keep out the noise at the frequencies they scream at. Nor do electronic noise cancelling headsets since you need to be able to hear the cabin crew at all times... So those little noisemakers should be in their own section, right at the back of the plane. Call it the Family class, like on the CFF/SBB intercity trains. Remember, those paying for first/business class subsidize YOUR economy ticket directly.

But for those who really want to travel without someone else's offspring, try hiring a private jet, it's gotten a *lot* cheaper of late ( www.lunajets.com for ex).
Carefull 'cause plenty of famillies can buy ten of your unique ticket! So if a family of four buy 3 seats of first class + infant and you are alone with your single ticket, which one brings more money? They have as much right as you do to sit in there since they paid for it.
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Old 29.06.2011, 17:06
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Carefull 'cause plenty of famillies can buy ten of your unique ticket! So if a family of four buy 3 seats of first class + infant and you are alone with your single ticket, which one brings more money? They have as much right as you do to sit in there since they paid for it.
There is no need to argue it, did you read the article? The CEO of Malaysian Airlines introduced the policy based on the number of complaints he got. In short: He is doing what is good for business, nothing else.

One baby can piss off 20 business travellers, easy calculation.

And again: He is not grounding families, he only limits them to BUSINESS CLASS. That's not that terrible.
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Old 29.06.2011, 17:07
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Re: Malaysia Airlines bans babies in first-class

I don't think this would work on Emirates or some of the other Gulf airlines since locals invariably travel 1st/Business class with their kids.
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There is no need to argue it, did you read the article? The CEO of Malaysian Airlines introduced the policy based on the number of complaints he got. In short: He is doing what is good for business, nothing else.

One baby can piss off 20 business travellers, easy calculation.

And again: He is not grounding families, he only limits them to BUSINESS CLASS. That's not that terrible.
I know! I was just arguing for the fun of it!
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Old 29.06.2011, 17:11
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I know! I was just arguing for the fun of it!

get back into economy, go on
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Old 29.06.2011, 17:30
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It's not really discrimintation though is it? It's more of applying an age appropriate set of rules. Babies aren't frequently welcomed into bars, brothels, adult sex shops, cinema's etc....
Mimi has a point. Why would you want your kid closed up in a metal tube with a pack of adults as they gently descend into an alcoholic stupor after being constantly plied from take off to landing with huge quantities of free booze straight from the bottle by the cream of the airline's trolley dollies. What kind of example would that be setting them?
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Carefull 'cause plenty of famillies can buy ten of your unique ticket! So if a family of four buy 3 seats of first class + infant and you are alone with your single ticket, which one brings more money? They have as much right as you do to sit in there since they paid for it.
Nope, they forfeit it by bringing in a screaming infant. However, most people who fly first class can also afford a nanny/au pair who can be paid to travel with said infant in the back of the plane. I've witnessed this quite a bit and some people from the Persian Gulf seem to consider that air stewards are trained babysitters, and make their kids sit at the back expecting them to be waited upon.

No matter what, screaming children have no business being in First.
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they belong in the dirty section of the airplane. (i.e. economy class)
Hhhmm, as a frequent international passenger, generally flying in economy class, I am beginning to realise that there are a few EFers whom I don't think I would be interested in ever meeting. Just as well they won't be sitting next to me.
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But you can use ear plugs!
They are yet to invent a pair that a baby's screaming will not penetrate!
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They are yet to invent a pair that a baby's screaming will not penetrate!
If they made massively oversized ones, you could plug the baby's mouth.

I think I am on to a winner here...
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Hhhmm, as a frequent international passenger, generally flying in economy class, I am beginning to realise that there are a few EFers whom I don't think I would be interested in ever meeting.....
Things must be improving for travellers in coach. Back when I travelled in economy class, you were packed in so tight there wasn't room for a chip on your shoulder.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines bans babies in first-class

Come on Nil, I am sure you have used earplugs before and will concede that they do NOT cancel out noise totally.

Especially for those very light sleepers, who need to travel long haul for work and arrive fresh at the other end, ear plugs will not help - at all. The last thing you need is flying 13 hours trying to work and sleep with a stroppy/uncomfortable/restless child next to you.

I think the suggestion of a "family class" or area within Economy is a fantastic idea. People make life choices to have a child - some of us didnt. Its a great way to co exist.
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I think I'll begin to pinched my kids just to annoyed the hell out of you all with their cries and screams! Fun!
A while back I was put in business because I HAD to be able to sleep on the long-haul flight (having lupus means you can't skip sleep, you end up really sick) and ended up with one of those kids with a mum who didn't give a sh*t about how much noise he made or how he behaved. I asked her nicely to be a bit more aware of other people wanting to sleep and just got bitched at. Needless to say, I was miserable on arrival and for the following days. If you want your kids to run wild, may I suggest travelling on a freight carrier?

And yes, I used to be a kid too and spent a lot of time in planes, somehow I managed to be quiet and stay in my seat. I also really don't understand kids who start screaming when the ear pressure thing happens, yes, it's unpleasant but some of them act as if they were being burned alive. Of course, their parents usually don't explain what is happening or suggest what they can do to help, so I guess it's not their fault...
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