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7/7 families hacked as well. How do they hack the voicemail exactly? Just guess the password or something?

most people don't change there default password, or use a 4 digit one, or there birthday, so all they did was trial and error, start at default then obvious, then just keep going till you get it. once you have there phone number its not exactly hi-tech
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Re: News of the world phone hacking - Milly Dowler

STOP PRESS ! Breaking news .........
News International announce that they have "uncovered" new information in the phone hacking allegations!
Proof if you needed it that some people believe that no matter how pathetic the excuse, that the public will believe it.
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Old 06.07.2011, 13:15
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Re: News of the world phone hacking - Milly Dowler

and Cameron has now promised an independant public enquiry - according to the ticker on the Beeb news site
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most people don't change there default password, or use a 4 digit one, or there birthday, so all they did was trial and error, start at default then obvious, then just keep going till you get it. once you have there phone number its not exactly hi-tech

I think "Hacking" is becoming overused. With voicemail, it would have to be interception during playback. Isn't listening to mobile voicemail restricted to the mobile number that the voice mail was sent to ?
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Ford have pulled their advertising from News of the World. Several other companies are considering their position. This would be really damaging for them.
On The Daily Politics on BBC2 after PMQs where Cameron was grilled for his associations (Andy Coulson) from NI, Andrew Neil has just rattled of a list of about 20 big name firms who've also just decided (and some reportedly considering it) to cancel their advertising on Sky. Cadbury's, Body Shop, Renault, Vauxhaull, Halifax, Coop.......

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Re: News of the world phone hacking - Milly Dowler

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Whilst that might be true, I am not aware of any activities CS has performed which come close to the lack of moral fibre demonstrated by NI / Brooks / Murdoch.
Hmm... I still have one of the CS footballs they gave away in 2008 - 200.000 footballs made by children in Pakistan. You want it?

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I think "Hacking" is becoming overused. With voicemail, it would have to be interception during playback. Isn't listening to mobile voicemail restricted to the mobile number that the voice mail was sent to ?
nope, in the uk at least I think all networks allow remote retrieval of voice mail, phone the number, wait for the redirection, hit # and enter your pin
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nope, in the uk at least I think all networks allow remote retrieval of voice mail, phone the number, wait for the redirection, hit # and enter your pin
same here in Helvetia
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I think the difference is the degree of separation.
And therein lies the rub.

Ultimately [IMO], the degree of separation doesn't matter. As an editor, CEO or BoD member, you are - or should be - by the very nature of the job, and the vast financial rewards that are attached to the 'responsibility' - be the end station for the buck.

On the one hand you are arguing that Brooks should be that end stop, yet on the other, you are waving away the same responsibility from the CS top floor. It's a position that is invariably contrary and at worst, hypocritical.

In other words, just as you (and I) agree that Brooks is lying her arse off, I believe that it is also 'inconceivable' that your CS masters did not know to some degree about 100's of millions of $$$ being flown under the radar from highly, highly unethical sources.

Therefore the question, I guess, is that I'm not quite sure how you can be that morally outraged at NI's ethics & pull your money out of the services that they provide to you, whilst at the same time, turning the other cheek as to the genesis of some of the money that CS pays you & enables the presumably reasonably affluent lifestyle that you enjoy here.

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Re: News of the world phone hacking - Milly Dowler

Robert Peston of the BBC's business news believes this story could lead to "semi-permanent" damage to Sky and News Corp's reputation and that any purchase of B-SkyB would have to be at least delayed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14045715

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Rbert Peton of the BBC's business news believes this story could be "semi-permanent" damage to Sky and News Corps reputation and that any purchase of B-SkyB would have to be at least delayed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14045715

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There was, according to sources, a macho culture at the News of the World from 2003 to 2006 or so when almost no practice was off limits, so long as the scoop was landed."


Hmmm.... Replace News with Banks and savour the Deja Vu
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14045715

robert peston is the most arrogant, annoying, self righteous prick on tv

eta isn't he also married to some high up bod in the labour parties sister, so no conflict of interest there then
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robert peston is the most arrogant, annoying, self righteous prick on tv
don`t pussyfoot around, give it to us straight........
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robert peston is the most arrogant, annoying, self righteous prick on tv

eta isn't he also married to some high up bod in the labour parties sister, so no conflict of interest there then
And I bet the BBC bods are just rubbing their hands in glee at the potential demise of NI and Sky.
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And therein lies the rub.

Ultimately [IMO], the degree of separation doesn't matter. As an editor, CEO or BoD member, you are - or should be - by the very nature of the job, and the vast financial rewards that are attached to the 'responsibility' - be the end station for the buck.

On the one hand you are arguing that Brooks should be that end stop, yet on the other, you are waving away the same responsibility from the CS top floor. It's a position that is invariably contrary and at worst, hypocritical.

In other words, just as you (and I) agree that Brooks is lying her arse off, I believe that it is also 'inconceivable' that your CS masters did not know to some degree about 100's of millions of $$$ being flown under the radar from highly, highly unethical sources.

Therefore the question, I guess, is that I'm not quite sure how you can be that morally outraged at NI's ethics & pull your money out of the services that they provide to you, whilst at the same time, turning the other cheek as to the genesis of some of the money that CS pays you & enables the presumably reasonably affluent lifestyle that you enjoy here.
Fair points, one and all.

I suppose I am a bit hypocritical, and maybe influenced by my perceptions that taking money off a few dodgy countries (which may or may not have come from the top of CS) isn't as bad as NI's top bods (almost certainly) encouraging an act that impeded the police investigation into a missing person, and gave her family false hope.

I suppose the message i'm giving out is, if you're going to do something dodgy, do it on a corporate level, as it doesn't tug at the heartstrings quite the same as something on a personal level. Accepting (it must be said, a tiny %age of overall money to CS) from black-listed countries (I presume Iran was back then, although it was probably less strict than rules today) to me is a more faceless crime, where it is probably easier to dissociate from evil than willfully impeding a missing child being found.

Where the money from Iran is sourced, who knows. It could be dodgy money for funding weapons / nukes etc, or it could be an oil company's legit profits. The problem with blacklisting a country is that any money generated there is illegal to handle, not just the money that's intended to be used maliciously.
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robert peston is the most arrogant, annoying, self righteous prick on tv

eta isn't he also married to some high up bod in the labour parties sister, so no conflict of interest there then
I'm much too inhibited to say that myself, but you are oh so right.
Not only is he arrogant and annoying but he has a horribly monotonous voice and an appalling taste in ties.
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Re: News of the world phone hacking - Milly Dowler

I used to have an analogue radio scanner which would pick up not only air traffic control, the police helicopter and weird beepy tones but back in the day mobile phone conversations. The things people talk about would make a sailor blush. It was surprising how many people you'd realise you knew who were talking. It proved curiously addictive entertainment whilst ironing a shirt. I should have recorded some conversations but I was too innocent

Modern Digital scanners are not so easy to find. I've tried ha! ha!
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Re: News of the world phone hacking - Milly Dowler

Remember the Charles and Camilla scandal a while back? Sounds very similar. Wasn't you was it, UM?
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I used to have an analogue radio scanner which would pick up not only air traffic control, the police helicopter and weird beepy tones but back in the day mobile phone conversations. The things people talk about would make a sailor blush. It was surprising how many people you'd realise you knew who were talking. It proved curiously addictive entertainment whilst ironing a shirt. I should have recorded some conversations but I was too innocent

Modern Digital scanners are not so easy to find. I've tried ha! ha!

its almost impossible to listen into mobile phones now, everything is digital and encrypted and breaking the keys would take far too long, iirc one group of researchers managed it with a huge amount of computing power and a very long call, but iirc they slightly cheated as they knew one set of codes.
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its almost impossible to listen into mobile phones now, everything is digital and encrypted and breaking the keys would take far too long, iirc one group of researchers managed it with a huge amount of computing power and a very long call, but iirc they slightly cheated as they knew one set of codes.
That's long ago. By now you need a standard laptop, four low end mobile phones with a special open source firmware and a lot of know-how.

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