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That's long ago. By now you need a standard laptop, four low end mobile phones with a special open source firmware and a lot of know-how.

http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldu...t-1159542.html

now all you have to do is get the person you want to spy on to use one of your doctored handsets
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That's long ago. By now you need a standard laptop, four low end mobile phones with a special open source firmware and a lot of know-how.

http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldu...t-1159542.html
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Old 06.07.2011, 14:57
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Re: News of the world phone hacking - Milly Dowler

If you call VM from the actual number, there is no need to enter a PIN.

Is there a way to fool the system so that it thinks the correct phone is calling?


Thinking about it, probably not 'cos everyone would be at it.
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now all you have to do is get the person you want to spy on to use one of your doctored handsets
No. Did you read the article? They used phones basically as network probes sniffing out your keys, recording the encrypted call, decrypt it and play it... if you know how to.

I don't really believe the "ready in 20 seconds bit" though.
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Old 06.07.2011, 15:05
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If you call VM from the actual number, there is no need to enter a PIN.

Is there a way to fool the system so that it thinks the correct phone is calling?


Thinking about it, probably not 'cos everyone would be at it.
A little hint: If you happen to have an old crap Nokia 1100, it can be worth a lot on ebay: http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/...sets-20090421/
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Old 06.07.2011, 15:09
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A little hint: If you happen to have an old crap Nokia 1100, it can be worth a lot on ebay: http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/...sets-20090421/

LOL thats the phone vodafone use to give contractors working for them, wish I'd kept mine now
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my perceptions that taking money off a few dodgy countries isn't as bad as NI's top bods encouraging an act that impeded the police investigation into a missing person.....
Accepting money from black-listed countries to me is a more faceless crime, where it is probably easier to dissociate from evil than willfully impeding a missing child being found.
I honestly don't mean this in a condescending way, but maybe you should read a bit on the ways these countries begot & used some of the wealth that was taken by CS to clean.
Try Liberia, Charles Taylor, child soldiers & mutilation. It's not a pretty story I'm afraid.

Unsurprisingly, our old friend Gadaffi was a loyal customer of this particular Dept. of CS, as apparently were certain upstanding gentlemen of the Russian vory who specialised amongst other things, in the facsimile of medicines.
It doesn't require a great leap of the imagination to figure out the human cost of that one.

Anyway this is going off topic now. I'll stop there.
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LOL thats the phone vodafone use to give contractors working for them, wish I'd kept mine now
The reason why it's valuable is what's alarming.
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I honestly don't mean this in a condescending way, but maybe you should read a bit on the ways these countries begot & used some of the wealth that was taken by CS to clean.
Try Liberia, Charles Taylor, child soldiers & mutilation. It's not a pretty story I'm afraid.

Unsurprisingly, our old friend Gadaffi was a loyal customer of this particular Dept. of CS, as apparently were certain upstanding gentlemen of the Russian vory who specialised amongst other things, in the facsimile of medicines.

Anyway this is going off topic now. I'll stop there.
It doesn't require a great leap of the imagination to figure out the human cost of that one.
Indeed, that's the problem, who makes these rules, who watches the watchers?

America and the UK are seen as clean as can be on these lists, but we've partaken in plenty of illegal wars for gain.

How much aristocratic money is sloshing about CS/UBS that was created on the back of the slave trade / exploiting peasants.

No one comes out of any of this well, but if we are prepared to turn a blind eye to our past, then it is also a bit hypocritical to get morally outraged about countries doing it now.

I doubt there are many walks of life or jobs / goverments / countries who can really claim any sort of moral high ground, so you have to choose your battles, and what is important to you, and for me, the line has been drawn, and NotW are so far over it, that the line is now a dot to them.
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Old 06.07.2011, 15:20
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The reason why it's valuable is what's alarming.

not if you don't have a german bank account
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not if you don't have a german bank account
Why? Credit Suisse has changed from Secure ID dongles (which were hacked earlier this year as well) to SMS based transaction numbers. So if somebody knows your bank account number and the permanent password (aka: the stuff you would enter if you fall for a phising site) this is an easy way to clear out the account.
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Old 06.07.2011, 15:26
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Anyway this is going off topic now. I'll stop there.
No, please answer one short answer before stopping: As a freelance photographer, would you turn down a request from CS based on this? Or FIFA? Or...
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There was, according to sources, a macho culture at the News of the World from 2003 to 2006 or so when almost no practice was off limits, so long as the scoop was landed."


Hmmm.... Replace News with Banks and savour the Deja Vu
From my experience of News Corp in Australia, macho, win-at-all-costs culture is an understatement (we're talking about Australia, after all) and this culture was encouraged long before 2003. You had to have a certain...errr personality... to thrive there.

Murdoch's getting on a bit now, wouldn't it be perfect karma if this scandal really does have impact and his last impression, before his descent into hell, is of his empire crumbling? You gotta have some dreams in life.
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From my experience of News Corp in Australia, macho, win-at-all-costs culture is an understatement (we're talking about Australia, after all) and this culture was encouraged long before 2003. You had to have a certain...errr personality... to thrive there.

Murdoch's getting on a bit now, wouldn't it be perfect karma if this scandal really does have impact and his last impression, before his descent into hell, is of his empire crumbling? You gotta have some dreams in life.
Do you also believe in the tooth-fairy?
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Do you also believe in the tooth-fairy?
What are you saying? No tooth fairy? Next you'll be telling me everyone on internet forums is as high and mighty IRL as they portray themselves on-line.
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What are you saying? No tooth fairy? Next you'll be telling me everyone on internet forums is as high and mighty IRL as they portray themselves on-line.
Good lord no! I would never even hint at such subversion.
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Murdoch's getting on a bit now, wouldn't it be perfect karma if this scandal really does have impact and his last impression, before his descent into hell, is of his empire crumbling? You gotta have some dreams in life.
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Re: News of the world phone hacking - Milly Dowler

Would be most interesting to see how this affects the NotW sales figures this weekend. Hope it's about as popular nationally as the Snu is in Liverpool.
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Would be most interesting to see how this affects the NotW sales figures this weekend. Hope it's about as popular nationally as the Snu is in Liverpool.

you think NoW readers really care about real news?
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you think NoW readers really care about real news?
Well, yes, so long as the real news involves tits
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