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Re: Australian Cattle exports and Indonesian Animal Cruelty

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Its not all like that though. There are Australian run and owned abbatoir's in Indonesia. One company (Elders) run their abbatoirs there under exactly the same practises than the tight controls they have in Australia. A planket ban doesn't really make too much sense imo
Unfortunately, as with all emotionally-fuelled and quickly-applied laws, this is what tends to happen.
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Re: Australian Cattle exports and Indonesian Animal Cruelty

This is the most inhumane thing I've ever seen. These animals seem so helpless and frightened. Can't imagine anyone growing so accustomed to doing that, they seem oblivious to the animal's pain.
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Old 07.07.2011, 15:27
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Only a few months ago after a TV show aired a similar segment. There was public outcry and the government banned it.

This article is a similar situation to what my mates are facing:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...ypH_story.html

The article states that exports to Indonesia are to be banned for six months, or until a more humane solution can be found to this problem. Thus, the decision by the Australian Government to ban live exports to Indonesia (or elsewhere) is by no means permanent.
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Re: Australian Cattle exports and Indonesian Animal Cruelty

Well, I now know the answer to that question some folk ask ...... "If there is a heaven, how big is it to hold all these good people on earth?" .....

My answer, after being able to watch only a short part of that video, is ..... "Not big at all - actually it must be a very small place".
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Re: Australian Cattle exports and Indonesian Animal Cruelty

Sadly, there is nothing new about this.

This was a topic of discussion when I was at Uni back in 1994, however it was Middle Eastern countries at fault back then..... the focus however was the condition of animals during transport. It is at least good to see that this has improved.

There is one clear statement in the video about "Halal" preparation, in that the beast has to be alive when it's throat is cut...... I can easily accept this Islamic practice, however I strongly debate the religious significance and necessity for the animal having to remain 'conscious' (this seperative belief is part of the problem with the smaller abattoirs)..... but this is another debate, and not one that I know enough about to comment further.

Jimmy Bee is spot on where many abattoirs opperate to provide the animal dignity and respect they deserve, and a blanket ban is a knee jerk reaction that can only severely damage an industry and further strain relations between Australia and Indonesia.

The clear question here is how to prevent the smaller offending abotoirs from having access to Australian cattle.

Mistreatment of any animal that is to be killed for consumption is unacceptible.

Animal cruelty in all forms should attract much stronger penalties, irrespective of religious beliefs, money, whatever...... we are to eat these animals and they deserve every bit of dignity that we can provide them.

Another fear is that people will use these images to further fuel ignorant comments towards Muslim cultural practices.
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I am sorry, I just can't watch this. Sorry if this makes me a coward.
Yes, I'd hate this thread to turn out into an anti-Islam thread. I have many relatives and friends who are Muslims, mainly from South Africa, whom I respect very much.

I feel Muslim people would be best to tackle such cruelty, by condemning it, from an Islamic point of view. I feel that often Muslim people do not voice their disapproval or concerns about so-called cruel or extremist actions done in the name of Islam- and that is a shame. It would be much better coming from them, so it would not be seen as anti-Islam, but anti abuse of Islam.
Salam Alekum.

I am not vegetarian- but feel that any animal killed for meat has to be respected and killed as quickly as possible and with the least pain possible. Long distance transport of live animals should be totally outlawed imho. Remember the shark attacks in Egypt recently, which happened after dozens of sheep where thrown in the sea after a long voyage from OZ or NZ- in the most atrocious conditions for Eid? I have had much joy sharing Eid celebrations with Muslim friends, colleagues and students in the UK- but such cruelty to animals is just not acceptable.

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Re: Australian Cattle exports and Indonesian Animal Cruelty

I don't think anyone is a coward or a wuss for not making it through the video. It is brutal, disgusting, and extreme.

My own take is that, this is the result of factory farming of food, which has become a necessary evil in today's world.

The global population of humans has grown exponentially since the Industrial Revolution, and subsistance and "free range" farming simply isn't equitable, nor is it capable of feeding 7 billion humans. And as human populations grow, aerable land becomes more and more scarce. And climate change isn't helping matters either.

Nevertheless... food should be clean, reliable, safe, and humanely brought to our tables. No cow should have to go what these cows went through to be turned into hamburger. I will definitely be thanking the Lord for my meals from here on out, and remembering that an animal has had its life taken so that I can be nourished.
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