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Re: Question for Americans: What is it with the South?

I must have hung out with some social justice Southerners then, hahah....fancy. Trendy urban hipsters.

Anyways. Just musing..I want some Taco Bell, right now.
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I must have hung out with some social justice Southerners then, hahah....fancy. Trendy urban hipsters.

Anyways. Just musing..I want some Taco Bell, right now.
Just make sure that you don't get 'hung-up' with those social justice southerners

At the back of my mind there is always that blood at the root, it wasn't that long ago.



Don't eat Taco bell. I never ever eat Taco Bell. The meat is only really 30% meat

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Attorney Dee Miles said the meat mixture contained just 35 percent beef, with the remaining 65 percent containing water, wheat oats, soy lecithin, maltodrextrin, anti-dusting agent and modified corn starch.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/0...#ixzz1S5nJMTMO

Then there is the rat problem- at least in NY.

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I wonder it people down South happen to be more religious.
I lived in the south for 12 years(well, not really according to some, since it was chapel hill, nc, infested with "northern aggressors" and transplants). But mostly people worried about the property value of their overpriced homes.

I worked with a lot of people from the surrounding areas who'd lived there all their lives.

Seriously, someone who worked with me told me I was a yankee northern aggressor. Might have been kidding, but I don't think so.

But anyway - I found that people's lives centered around their church, and spent a lot more time at their church - usually one evening or more during the week and lots of time on Sunday. And I think their social networks depended on their churches.

As for what it is about the south? I don't know. It's hot.

Some people are nice, others not. Some places are charming, others not. I liked living in Pittsburgh, PA and Millburn, Nj better than Chapel Hill, and I like living here better too. I like the directness of people in the mid-atlantic - no bless your heart.

But it's definitely worth a visit to some parts.
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Old 14.07.2011, 17:55
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Don't eat Taco bell. I never ever eat Taco Bell. The meat is only really 30% meat
Krispy Kreme doughnuts are like 99% grease. And they taste GREAT! As does Taco Bell. When I'm lying on my deathbed whispering through my last breath, I won't be saying,"I'm just so glad I stayed away from those tasty yet meat deficient tacos, not to mention the unfathomable lightness of deep fried dough in the form of doughnuts."

There is Heaven on earth. So head on down to your local Krispy Kreme and whet your appetite with a baker's dozen! The tacos and burritos come after to kill the sugar buzz.
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Old 14.07.2011, 18:00
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Krispy Kreme doughnuts are like 99% grease. And they taste GREAT! As does Taco Bell. When I'm lying on my deathbed whispering through my last breath, I won't be saying,"I'm just so glad I stayed away from those tasty yet meat deficient tacos, not to mention the unfathomable lightness of deep fried dough in the form of doughnuts."

There is Heaven on earth. So head on down to your local Krispy Kreme and whet your appetite with a baker's dozen! The tacos and burritos come after to kill the sugar buzz.

You forgot Krystals. Must have Cheese Krystals (at 3am after having had copious amounts of alcohol), or maybe some breakfast - a styrofoam cup full of grits, melted cheese, and crumbled sausage. Mmmm mmmm mmm! Lekker!
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Mr.Wolli, sir, do you really wish to get into a discussion with Americans (some quite obviously FROM the South, and FROM Texas in particular) about who does and doesn't qualify as a "Texan"?

Bless your heart, that is just simply darling...
Of course he would ,he is a friend of Davy crockett
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You forgot Krystals. Must have Cheese Krystals (at 3am after having had copious amounts of alcohol), or maybe some breakfast - a styrofoam cup full of grits, melted cheese, and crumbled sausage. Mmmm mmmm mmm! Lekker!
I could have some Krystals right about now....
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Re: Question for Americans: What is it with the South?

Mr.Wolli, sir, do you really wish to get into a discussion with Americans (some quite obviously FROM the South, and FROM Texas in particular) about who does and doesn't qualify as a "Texan"?

Bless your heart, that is just simply darling...





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Of course he would ,he is a friend of Davy crockett
I know all about Texas because I read about this guy when I was a kid. Is there anything else I ought to know?

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Mr.Wolli, sir, do you really wish to get into a discussion with Americans (some quite obviously FROM the South, and FROM Texas in particular) about who does and doesn't qualify as a "Texan"?

Bless your heart, that is just simply darling...






I know all about Texas because I read about this guy when I was a kid. Is there anything else I ought to know?

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I fully support your Prosecco habit. I often roll my afternoon coffee into aperitivo time.
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Krispy Kreme doughnuts are like 99% grease. And they taste GREAT! As does Taco Bell. When I'm lying on my deathbed whispering through my last breath, I won't be saying,"I'm just so glad I stayed away from those tasty yet meat deficient tacos, not to mention the unfathomable lightness of deep fried dough in the form of doughnuts."

There is Heaven on earth. So head on down to your local Krispy Kreme and whet your appetite with a baker's dozen! The tacos and burritos come after to kill the sugar buzz.
That may be true, but if you live anywhere close to where there's a real taqueria, then you'll definitely want to kill yourself there rather than at Taco Bell.
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Old 15.07.2011, 02:23
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Re: Question for Americans: What is it with the South?

To the OP, the south is very enjoyable and hospitable.
I also think the food is fantastic. I personally love the Atlantic coast from the outer banks of north Carolina down to northern Florida.
I love Savannah and the island of Ocracoke (Blackbeard the pirate's island) but there are so many neat sights.

...and my all time favorite dish:
http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/north-c...rk/detail.aspx

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To the OP, the south is very enjoyable and hospitable.
I also think the food is fantastic. I personally love the Atlantic coast from the outer banks of north Carolina down to northern Florida.
I love Savannah and the island of Ocracoke (Blackbeard the pirate's island) but there are so many neat sights.

...and my all time favorite dish:
http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/north-c...rk/detail.aspx
Savannah and Charleston are so pretty- Plantation drives walled by Live Oaks covered in Spanish Moss and Ferns, the kudzu is not so pretty.

Savannnah art school looks really good, my sister gives me signed copies of Pat Conroy's books, he's a popular writer for that area.
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Maybe the Americans on this forum can help me with this one.

Planning my next USA trip I have been bouncing various ideas off Americans at work to see what they think of my suggestions and maybe harvest some ideas and possibilities.

If I mention the South, and especially places like Alabama, the reaction is definitely a no no. Also, in a broader sense, when mentioning maybe some American I met with some strange or backward attitude, Americans will invariably say, "he must have been from the South" or "that's typical for the South".

On the whole, the South is presumed to be backward, primitive, rusitical. Is that so?

And more importantly, why?

I have discussed this and some have suggested, maybe it is an indirect and veiled form of (maybe subconscious) racism. The South has lots of African Americans and calling the South rustical, backward and stupid is an indirect way of saying the same about Blacks themselves. But this argument doesn't make sense to me. Cities like Chicago, New York, Philadelphia, Washington DC also have lots of Black citizens but people don't called those cities rustical, backwards or primitive. Or at least I have never heard it.

Or is it maybe because people there are, um, how shall I put it, a bit rustcal? But then so is much of the Mid-West or even upstate New York, upstate Illinois etc. Yet these places don't have the same associatons as the South.

Or is it because they lost the Civil War? But isn't that a long time ago? And does it still matter?

Can anybody throw any more light on this?
OK I am not an expert on America, but this is the problem- education.
I have been to DC, Virginia, West Virginia ( So poor) Tenneseee, North Carolina, South Carolina, Alabama (briefly) Texas, and Florida, but I was a tourist. My sister lives in the south and her kids raised there.

The educational standards are much lower in the Southern States. The toughest states to qualify to teach are NY and California. The Atlanta school district is in big trouble for allowing the students to cheat on school exams. Cheating is endemic and has been going on for a long time.

The other problem is religion. Society revolves around the church, this is the same in other states, but it's not as prevalent. The bible was used and interpreted for a long time to justify slavery. The Klan is still active.
If you want a sense of recent history then watch this:

BUll Connor

You feel the racism increasing as you move South. It creeps in insidiously like the Spanish Moss, takes hold and obscures reality.

About 15 years ago I had a strange experience. I stayed at the Hyatt Regency Atlanta. I got bored so I went for a walk. I carried on walking for al ong time. The scenery began to change and I felt more relaxed-I felt that I was more amongst ordinary people, not constantly on parade. I walked into a big Walmart. As I went into the store I realized that people were staring- I was pretty dressed up. Then I realized that there were no Caucasian people, people were staring with concern as if trying to tell me something. I felt that I shouldn't be there and I was angry. I turned around and headed back. Any American I mention this to say I must have imagined it. But it was a shock. I had come form London. In London I never felt the consciousness of race as I have in some US states.

But some parts are beautiful.
It isn't just racism but bigotry. I know a gay kid who just enrolled at Vanderbilt and Northerners roll their eyes, when they hear that, but maybe that is a form of Northern racism in itself. I met a couple of people from old plantation families on a Golf course during a pro-tour, they saved me from a golf ball while I was busy watching an osprey dive, they was very nice, down- to-earth, educated and had a great sense of humour, they invited me to stay. The only way you will know is to go and find out for yourself, talk to the southerners.
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Old 15.07.2011, 05:23
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OK I am not an expert on America, but this is the problem- education.
This, put in context with the following, is amusing, to say the least.

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they was very nice,

Pro tip:
When commenting on the educational level of someone else, particularly a group of people, it really lowers your credibility to then make simple grammatical mistakes. (No, I do not care what your mother tongue may be, you are presenting yourself as "well educated" in comparison to another group of people.)



Also, what you experienced 15yrs ago, not limited to but particularly in very large cities like Atlanta, is likely quite different to what others may experience today. Atlanta is a hot spot for corporate "home office" locations these days (and has been becoming increasingly so over the past 10 - 15yrs) so the cross section of society is somewhat changed.

It hasn't changed completely, but then, I have worked with someone who was from upstate New York who complained about new residents in her neighborhood (urban poor relocating there) lowering the value of her property, so such attitudes are clearly not confined to the South.
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The educational standards are much lower in the Southern States. The toughest states to qualify to teach are NY and California. The Atlanta school district is in big trouble for allowing the students to cheat on school exams. Cheating is endemic and has been going on for a long time.

The other problem is religion. Society revolves around the church, this is the same in other states, but it's not as prevalent. The bible was used and interpreted for a long time to justify slavery. The Klan is still active.
If you want a sense of recent history then watch this:
I find your assessment convoluted and anachronistic.

Regarding Atlanta City Schools, white flight and its social problems are a national problem, and an urban problem--not a southern problem. Cheating is not "endemic" in the south. The Atlanta School district is a statistical outlier (extraordinarily horrible) in terms of management and performance. I know this well because I used to be an educational research assessment specialist in the state. You can easily find cognates to this school system in any Northern city.

The Klan is an irrelevant band of right-wing extremists who do not influence public policy in the United States. That said, klan groups are active all over the country, but hardly confined to the South. For example, there are Klan groups in the Great Plains States such as Iowa and Nebraska, and Mid-Atlantic states such as Maryland, Pennsylvania and New Jersey. There are also a couple of chapters in California. Despite the difficulty you perceived in teachers getting licensed in these states, some ignorance still seeps through. I don't understand how you move from the observation that the church is central in southern society to the conclusion that the KKK still rides. Non sequitor.

I have stated here elsewhere that the South that many of us grew up there no longer exists, both for good and evil. Your observations about the south seem trapped in time, at least 50 years ago.

The reason that the nice black folks looked at you in the Walmart on the southside of downtown Atlanta is because they could tell that you were not from there. That part of Atlanta is crime filled (one of the most dangerous zip codes in America) and they probably worried that you might wander into the wrong folks. Who does that? Wanders around in an American city not understanding the areas? You can get into trouble doing that in Atlanta, Chicago, or New York.
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Re: Question for Americans: What is it with the South?

Having lived in the South for 6 years (South Carolina and Houston), from my experience you'll find some of the warmest, friendliest, and helpful people on the planet. And those same people can turn into absolute close-minded psychopaths if you bring up the wrong subject. If you live simply and pragmatically, life there can be very pleasant. But if you're looking for an intellectually challenging or stimulating environment, I'd suggest you go further North or West. (Or Austin.)
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OK I am not an expert on America, but this is the problem- education.

The educational standards are much lower in the Southern States. The toughest states to qualify to teach are NY and California. The Atlanta school district is in big trouble for allowing the students to cheat on school exams. Cheating is endemic and has been going on for a long time.

The other problem is religion. Society revolves around the church, this is the same in other states, but it's not as prevalent. The bible was used and interpreted for a long time to justify slavery. The Klan is still active.
If you want a sense of recent history then watch this:
That is a big sweeping generalization that is true in some circrumstances
certainly, but it is really ignorant in others.

People from my public high school go to Harvard, Stanford, Naval Academy, Princeton, you name any school here....

Personally, I am not especially religious, but people in the US have
a freedom to believe what they want.
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That is a big sweeping generalization that is true in some circrumstances
certainly, but it is really ignorant in others.

People from my public high school go to Harvard, Stanford, Naval Academy, Princeton, you name any school here....

Personally, I am not especially religious, but people in the US have
a freedom to believe what they want.
You will find that most go to private schools, my sister sent her kids to private schools it was the only way to get a half-decent education. She lived in Georgia then South Carolina.

For most of my friends who were transferred or had to move down south , their main worry was schooling, unless they were religious, in which case they more often than not welcomed it. you won't get away with teaching evolution down south without a lot of protest.

The general requirement for teachers in NY or California is a Masters- they prefer Special-Ed trained teachers. Most teachers know that if you are certified in NY or CA these are the gold standard- you can easily find work elsewhere, but for lower pay.
Here's the pay and certification map

http://certificationmap.com/

Here's the problem with Atlanta schools:
http://www.11alive.com/news/article/...ndance-records

Southern school standards in 2007 they have been forced to change but it takes time:

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http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2007SE/fin...act_118985.htm
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