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OK I am not an expert on America, but this is the problem- education.
You haven`t been to "Gwinner" North Dakota yet .Then you can talk to me about racism.The "N"word is used more often then not.I know I worked there for 7 month BTW North Dakota is in the North
No never been to North Dakota, when was the last lynching in North Dakota, did they have Jim Crow laws/segregation?
The N word is everywhere even it seems in Swiss Primary schools. (that thread is now closed?)

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Re: Question for Americans: What is it with the South?

Hi DB,

Please clarify this for me. Are you implying that there has been segregation since creation, so there's nothing wrong with it?

Some of these responses have me baffled. I'm a black person,(white husband) who've lived both in the North and in the South. I still own my home in Atlanta. Both New York and Atlanta, my neighbourhoods were integrated. I can safely tell you, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that the south where I live, have nothing but well to do families, who have nothing but their families best interest at heart, and very cosmopolitan.

This, what I call an urban legend, that the South is ghetto, with uneducated people and are poor,is all it is. Like every state or city in the US, or where ever else, there's good and there's bad.
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Hi DB,

Please clarify this for me. Are you implying that there has been segregation since creation, so there's nothing wrong with it?

Some of these responses have me baffled. I'm a black person,(white husband) who've lived both in the North and in the South. I still own my home in Atlanta. Both New York and Atlanta, my neighbourhoods were integrated. I can safely tell you, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that the south where I live, have nothing but well to do families, who have nothing but their families best interest at heart, and very cosmopolitan.

This, what I call an urban legend, that the South is ghetto, with uneducated people and are poor,is all it is. Like every state or city in the US, or where ever else, there's good and there's bad.


At last someone who seems to have some real knowledge! I don't care if you agree with me or not- just keep posting-so I can learn.

With regards to DB, No his Adam and Eve picture is insinuating that I think I live in a paradise! I am like a thorn in his side.even though I already said that I believe in teaching evolution as opposed to creationism. On the other hand your interpretation may be right as on another post he believes we are all begat from the tribe of Shem.
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Hi DB,

Please clarify this for me. Are you implying that there has been segregation since creation, so there's nothing wrong with it?

Some of these responses have me baffled. I'm a black person,(white husband) who've lived both in the North and in the South. I still own my home in Atlanta.
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Re: Question for Americans: What is it with the South?

Peeps, those long multiple quotes with links and youtubes get all messed up if you happen to not include one of those [] in the quote command...usually it gets accidentally deleted when you shorten a quote, just watch out for those, bitte, merci!
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Peeps, those long multiple quotes with links and youtubes get all messed up if you happen to not include one of those [] in the quote command...usually it gets accidentally deleted when you shorten a quote, just watch out for those, bitte, merci!
Sorry! I'm guilty.



We didn't even discuss attitudes towards guns in the North and South yet!

But coming back to DB, if he seriously does believe in Genesis

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Ham, forefather of the southern peoples (Hamitic)
Shem, forefather of the middle peoples (Semitic)
Japheth, forefather of the northern peoples (Japhetic Eurasia)
Where does that leave the original American tribes?
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Old 15.07.2011, 14:55
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Hi DB,

Please clarify this for me. Are you implying that there has been segregation since creation, so there's nothing wrong with it?
As Hoppy owns, I'm fairly certain that DB's image is "off topic" rather than on.


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Some of these responses have me baffled. I'm a black person,(white husband) who've lived both in the North and in the South. I still own my home in Atlanta. Both New York and Atlanta, my neighbourhoods were integrated. I can safely tell you, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that the south where I live, have nothing but well to do families, who have nothing but their families best interest at heart, and very cosmopolitan.

This, what I call an urban legend, that the South is ghetto, with uneducated people and are poor,is all it is. Like every state or city in the US, or where ever else, there's good and there's bad.
While most of the areas I lived also were integrated, some were not. Some also were only integrated on the surface - specifically done to appear to be integrated.

The high school I went to in Texas was built on the outside of town, the area specifically chosen so that mostly ranch (mostly White) and suburban kids (also mostly White) would attend this school while the other school was more in the center of town. There were less than ten Black children in my school and one or two Hispanic. There were two Vietnamese families in the area also, that's it. The racial profile of the other school however, was quite different.

Of course, as I said, that was more than 20 years ago. Hopefully things in that area are more as you say now and less as I saw then.


Coming a little closer to present day, I lived in Savannah for about 10 months. I was cautioned by my (mostly Black) coworkers about what areas to choose to live, that I wouldn't want to live in a "Black neighborhood" - their words, not mine. While I lived there it became clear that there, at that time, were many divides in Savannah, some along racial lines, some along financial and family status. The "Old South" brigade was obvious to a large degree.

That too, as I said, was some time ago, a lot can happen in 10+ years and I hope that much of that division has been resolved these days.


Of course, the US being what it is, everyone wanting their own freedom, even at the expense of someone else's (realistically, if not idealistically), I think that some of these changes are largely due to having a different, and more mysterious to largely Christian Americans, focus for racial issues.
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But coming back to DB, if he seriously does believe in Genesis



Where does that leave the original American tribes?
According to Genesis, the dark-skinned people of Africa descend from Ham.
The Semitic peoples descend from Shem (hence Shem-itic)
All other races descend from Japeth.
Of the three sons, Japeth is the one who gets discussed the least in Genesis, so presumably the Ancient Jews weren't especially interested in his descendants, and that of course left a vacuum into which others could project what they wanted.

Antholopologists today, of course tell a different story. But for a long time racial studies did subdivide the race along precisely those lines.
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Old 15.07.2011, 15:09
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According to Genesis, the dark-skinned people of Africa descend from Ham.
The Semitic peoples descend from Shem (hence Shem-itic)
All other races descend from Japeth.
That's kind of convenient, are you sure that they didn't change the definition when they discovered America, decided there was nowhere put the American tribes so threw them in with the Japeth lot?
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Old 15.07.2011, 15:12
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As Hoppy owns, I'm fairly certain that DB's image is "off topic" rather than on.




While most of the areas I lived also were integrated, some were not. Some also were only integrated on the surface - specifically done to appear to be integrated.

The high school I went to in Texas was built on the outside of town, the area specifically chosen so that mostly ranch (mostly White) and suburban kids (also mostly White) would attend this school while the other school was more in the center of town. There were less than ten Black children in my school and one or two Hispanic. There were two Vietnamese families in the area also, that's it. The racial profile of the other school however, was quite different.

Of course, as I said, that was more than 20 years ago. Hopefully things in that area are more as you say now and less as I saw then.


Coming a little closer to present day, I lived in Savannah for about 10 months. I was cautioned by my (mostly Black) coworkers about what areas to choose to live, that I wouldn't want to live in a "Black neighborhood" - their words, not mine. While I lived there it became clear that there, at that time, were many divides in Savannah, some along racial lines, some along financial and family status. The "Old South" brigade was obvious to a large degree.

That too, as I said, was some time ago, a lot can happen in 10+ years and I hope that much of that division has been resolved these days.


Of course, the US being what it is, everyone wanting their own freedom, even at the expense of someone else's (realistically, if not idealistically), I think that some of these changes are largely due to having a different, and more mysterious to largely Christian Americans, focus for racial issues.
So the South was or perhaps is still quite racist?
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At last someone who seems to have some real knowledge!

Huh? Mitziem's post was very good, I just don't see how all the other people from the South and who have lived in the South who have posted on this thread have not demonstrated to you in a convincing way that they have 'real knowledge'.

The most off the wall posts here (besides any tongue in cheek) have been from you and Woli. I've met Woli, so I kinda understand him and usually get a chuckle out of his lengthy writings, but where are you coming from? Not trying to jump you- I'm really trying to understand.
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That's kind of convenient, are you sure that they didn't change the definition when they discovered America, decided there was nowhere put the American tribes so threw them in with the Japeth lot?
Genesis 10 actually says:

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[2] The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
[3] And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.
[4] And the sons of Javan; Elishah, and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.
[5] By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.
So all the races of the gentiles are descended from Japheth.

Of course you can speculate which of those was the father of native Americans. But if you go by the Bible it must have been one of them.
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So the South was or perhaps is still quite racist?
Why, of all the adjectives and attributes you could possibly attach to the South is this aspect so over-riding?

Okay, there are some racists there, just as there are virtually everywhere else as well.

What makes them more special or worse?
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So the South was or perhaps is still quite racist?
Hoppy For god sake! the whole planet is quite racist
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Hoppy For god sake! the whole planet is quite racist
Just the planet, the whole universe. There is a bar on Sirius 4 with a sign outside saying "No Betelgeuse". It's a vegetarian bar.
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Tsk! Always them racisms and skisms...
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Old 15.07.2011, 15:42
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So the South was or perhaps is still quite racist?
"The South" isn't racist... some people who live there are.

Then again, I've met people in Japan who were racist, people in Hawaii who were racist, people across many other States who were racist and finally, I have met people here who also are racist.

So, to categorize the entire Southern region of the US specifically as racist is wrong. Which is what most of us were trying to get across. Which is what I was trying to get across with my stories of some of the other places (including northern 'burbs of Chicago) where I'd lived.
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Huh? Mitziem's post was very good, I just don't see how all the other people from the South and who have lived in the South who have posted on this thread have not demonstrated to you in a convincing way that they have 'real knowledge'.

The most off the wall posts here (besides any tongue in cheek) have been from you and Woli. I've met Woli, so I kinda understand him and usually get a chuckle out of his lengthy writings, but where are you coming from? Not trying to jump you- I'm really trying to understand.
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You are right to pick up on the 'real knowledge' I mean something I can learn from, that's not to say that others have not learned from other posts on this thread. Hopefully The OP got their answer.
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Re: Question for Americans: What is it with the South?

Here is a chart that I found pertaining to the disparity in the quality of education found between "Northern" and "Southern" states:


I am not from the south only visited a couple of times. I can see how some members are protective of their home state in the south. However there is a general (yes schools vary within the state) difference in the performance of students of the south in comparison to the students of the north. Interestingly enough the above graph correlates pretty closely with the data on educational expenditures from state to state. Again here the south clearly spends less on its pupils than the north.




Further lets look at poverty state by state: Although NY does not do well, the overwhelming amount of states that have the highest poverty rates are in the south




I won't tackle the subject of racism in the south because I know very little about it, other than from what I have read, and heard from others. However, when I visited the south from what I saw there was a strong correlation between being a minority and being impoverished. That does not mean that there are not mixed middle-class neighborhoods, its just an observation.

Amogles, I don't know if you like food, but the south is absolutely great when it comes to cuisine. Try sweet tea, waffles and fried chicken with some collard greens, hoppin' john, sweat potato mash w/marshmallows (yep you read right), shrimp & grits, biscuits & gravy and also do yourself a favor and go to a good BBQ. (It's best to ask the locals when you're down there about what place to go to.) Also if you have the courage try a shot of bourbon with a chaser of pickle juice. If that does not leave an impression I don't know what will. On the other hand if you are a history buff, going to Atlanta to see King's house and read up on the battle of Atlanta is also pretty special.
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