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Re: Question for Americans: What is it with the South?

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On the whole, the South is presumed to be backward, primitive, rusitical. Is that so?
ok... deep breath time... I'm whiter than white... Milky Bar kid?.. that could have been me, so perhaps I'm not best suited to talk about racial stereo'types BUT...
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I've been fortunate enuf to travel over a fair deal of USA and Canada and during one of my first adventures, back in the days when I had long hair ( yes LiB I HAD hair ) and a beard there were only two places where I felt uncomforable... one in a working class bar in Alabama and one is a working class bar in East Boston ( I left both rather quickly )

my point? there are racist, backward, primitive people everywhere but I don't think you can define one area of the country as more racist than another simply by boundaries





n.b... totally off topic ... The Mason Dixon line.. the great North/South divide?
did you know that Mason and Dixon were English?
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Re: Question for Americans: What is it with the South?

I grew up in the South. Lived there a long time (for what it's worth, Texas east of the line between Houston and Dallas is "The South" whilst west of that line is "The West").

There are some very conservative parts of the South, particularly in small towns. There are also some rowdy, multi-cultural port towns (New Orleans, Memphis, and Houston come to mind [Memphis IS a port town, just on the Mississippi River]), some really pretty college towns (Athens, GA; Austin, TX; Knoxville, TN) and some of the best food you'll ever eat anywhere in your life. Great rivers, beautiful forests, nice beaches (little known fact -- northern Florida is also "The South" -- ask the one still living original member of Lynrd Skynrd), and a lot of the very best music in world comes out of that part of the world too.

You can absolutely get your ass kicked if you act like a fool in a bar in a small town in the South. The same is true for almost everywhere.

It's surely worth a visit because it is a fairly unique place. There are lots of farmers and there is a long history of racial tension, but if you care to look it up, and I don't, there have been multiple stories in the NY Times about the recent trend of African-Americans fleeing New York and Chicago to return to the big Southern cities like Atlanta and Houston. Things ain't like they used to be!
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Re: Question for Americans: What is it with the South?

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This map may help see the region discussed some at least:

I'd say you need a line cutting off the top of Florida and including it in the South, while re-classifying the rest as "The Caribbean." Then you need to split Texas down the middle, somewhere between Ft. Worth and Dallas, with the Ft. Worth side being "The West" and the Dallas side being "The South."
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Re: Question for Americans: What is it with the South?

I've never been to the South (although I did pass through Ohio, which my wife assures me is really part of the South ), but I've met a fair few Southerners over the years, and they always come across as somewhat less irritating than their northern brethren, particularly their northern coastal brethren (Midwesterners, after all, aren't interesting enough to hold an opinion about them).

Southerners, in my experience, always have an excellent sense of humour, are less prone to snarky condescension and that strange mutation of college sarcasm that pervades northern coastal culture, and generally come across as much more "normal" than people from, say, Boston, Bridgeport or Saratoga Springs.

I'd rather like to visit the South some time.
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So do Italians (which is probably why they do in NY).

My paternal grandmother's parents were from Poland, we ALWAYS said "Pollack", still do. We never found it offensive.

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So do Italians (which is probably why they do in NY).

My paternal grandmother's parents were from Poland, we ALWAYS said "Pollack", still do. We never found it offensive.

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Hey, 2 Pollacks walk into a store, then one sa.....ok, I'm sorry, I'll stop!!
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Re: Question for Americans: What is it with the South?

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I'd say you need a line cutting off the top of Florida and including it in the South, while re-classifying the rest as "The Caribbean."
Toad... so difficult.. if you started at Naples in southern Florida that would have to be classified as the North....
Okeechobee less than two hours away is deepest south
and Miami ?.. well.... lets not talk about Miami

but again.. per my post above.. all interesting places
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Yes, although there are some issues that come up (especially, or maybe "more publicized" in the last few years) in the Spanish settled areas, it's not quite (to my eye at least) the same level of... I actually have no words.


This map may help see the region discussed some at least:

Maybe this map is a little outdated? (I can't wait to visit with my Conestoga wagon.)
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Whoever said that to you has absolutely no idea what they're talking about. People in the South are called ''backwards'' precisely because of their racism towards non-whites (well, foreigners in general!), as well as their intolerant views on abortion, homosexuality, muslims and so on. That is the general stereotype.

Don't be surprised if you see something like this on your trip:








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Re: Question for Americans: What is it with the South?

ok.. time for one of my trademark ..off topic?.. stories.

late 70's , early 80's my brother and I are sitting watching "ABC's wide world of sports" with our then girlfriends... who were both from a rather affluent area of town.

In walks one of our neighbors.. big black guy that could have been the proto-type for mr. T .... he turns to the TV - see's two black guys boxing and shouts at the TV... "save it for the white boys!! "

our girlfriends both turned whiter than white while my brother and I fell on the floor laughing.

racist only in the south eh?
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Re: Question for Americans: What is it with the South?

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No! Your wife, as lovely as she is, is misinformed! Ohio is not the south!

In the south, they call this Ohioan a yankee (which is a somewhat derogatory term for northerner in southern-speak). Although the very southern bit of Ohio might be borderline south, after all.
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Yes, although there are some issues that come up (especially, or maybe "more publicized" in the last few years) in the Spanish settled areas, it's not quite (to my eye at least) the same level of... I actually have no words.


This map may help see the region discussed some at least:

then there's this one, from the 2008 Presidential election. Virginia and North Carolina are unique in this cycle, as they are typically red states.
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No! Your wife, as lovely as she is, is misinformed! Ohio is not the south!

In the south, they call this Ohioan a yankee (which is a somewhat derogatory term for northerner in southern-speak). Although the very southern bit of Ohio might be borderline south, after all.
Historically, Ohio was part of the Union during the Civil War but also a notorious hotspot for "Copperheads," which is what they called Southern sympathizers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copperheads_(politics)
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Historically, Ohio was part of the Union during the Civil War but also a notorious hotspot for "Copperheads," which is what they called Southern sympathizers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copperheads_(politics)
Yes, but again, that was mostly in the south, along the Ohio River.
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Re: Question for Americans: What is it with the South?

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Southerners, in my experience, are less prone to snarky condescension...
I'd rather like to visit the South some time.
Southerners have a word for snarky condenscension.... we call it being "hateful". And we're quite good at it.
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Re: Question for Americans: What is it with the South?

We came back from a "Southern Tour" in May - 2 weeks from mid-may to the end - and that is pretty much as late as you want to go. By the time we hit the plantations around Charleston we understood why a summer in the south is described as "living in Satan's armpit" - hot and humid!!

I'll start with the negatives - nothing! Honestly, in 2 weeks we never once came away feeling ripped off - or things not being as they were advertised. We had a couple of poor meals - but mainly that was just 1 dish - and that was as far as the grumbles got.**

So, the positives, the locals are insanely friendly - from chatting with a Georgia boy born and bred trying to figure out the "rules of appropriate tipping" on our first night - in the first bar - to getting local tips for coffee (fantastic) and brunch - to just shooting the breeze over beers (we didn't find a single bar that wouldn't like up a shot of a couple of beers to taste) - they are friendly, open and make the whole stay fantastic.

We did a 3000km loop in 15 days - Atlanta - Savannah - Charleston - Charlotte (for the Nascar) - Asheville (a must visit in our view) - Nashville - Blue Mountains - Atlanta

That area is riddled with great simple food and brewerys knocking out a full range of genuinely top notch beers - that you won't get 50 miles further up the road!

What about safety? We wandered along Martin Luther King Boulevard at 10pm in Savannah - without any trouble We stopped in Lakewood in Atlanta for fuel

We loved the place - it was America away from the TV camera cliche of NY and California - it was bloody fantastic.

Pictures part 1 and part 2

**At the fuel station in Lakewood we had to fill up - but had no idea how much - so were feeding it 20usd at a time as the woman wouldn't let us do a fill up - even if she was given a credit-card!!
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Re: Question for Americans: What is it with the South?

[sarcasm]

another thing I do have to say about the south...

best BBQ anywhere I've ever been

them colored peoples do know how to do a good BBQ:



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trying to figure out the "rules of appropriate tipping" on our first night
maybe a little OT for this topic, but...

General rule is 15%
If it's superb service, then 20%

If it's subpar, then 10%

And if it's absolutely terrible leave nothing.

And if it was so bad that you never would want to set foot in there again... leave ONE PENNY.
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maybe a little OT for this topic, but...

General rule is 15%
If it's superb service, then 20%

If it's subpar, then 10%

And if it's absolutely terrible leave nothing.

And if it was so bad that you never would want to set foot in there again... leave ONE PENNY.
I don't think it's ever OK to leave nothing, unless there is visible saliva on your food or something. The waitstaff is really only compensated through tips, as they actually receive as little as $US2 per hour in salary. I say 20% for the standard, 15% for substandard. The thing is, even if the food is late or comes out at different times, that's usually on the kitchen rather than the waitstaff.
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