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How come it si only the South and South-Eastern states that constitute the South and the South-West has not part of it?
Something to do with a war or something...?
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Re: Question for Americans: What is it with the South?

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Did this thread really just suddenly jump from the Dukes of Hazard to George Bush?

Well, I guess George Bush and Boss Hog probably do have a lot in common.
I am so exited next on the list is "Mash" followed by "Sandfort and Son"
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Yes b,ut they all have the drawl.

Bush=Oil=Texas as Jeb Bush= Florida.

Bush liked to hold meetings at his Ranch in Crawford.

Good Ol'southern hospitality.

--- Ever checked WHEN GWB purchased that ranch ?? ever checked about his riding abilities ??

Here a real Texan who was US President

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/spee...scontinue.html

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/media...26985&admin=36
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Here's the some of the reasoning but maybe the definition should change?

San Diego for instance is south.
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The popular definition of the "South" is more informal and generally associated with the eleven states that seceded during the Civil War to form the Confederate States of America. Those states share commonalities of history and culture that carry on to the present day. Oklahoma is often included; it was not a state, but all its major Indian tribes owned black slaves[citation needed] and signed formal treaties of alliance with the Confederacy.
San Diego is in Oklahoma?
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Old 14.07.2011, 10:19
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--- Ever checked WHEN GWB purchased that ranch ?? ever checked about his riding abilities ??

Here a real Texan who was US President

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/spee...scontinue.html

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/media...26985&admin=36

Mr.Wolli, sir, do you really wish to get into a discussion with Americans (some quite obviously FROM the South, and FROM Texas in particular) about who does and doesn't qualify as a "Texan"?

Bless your heart, that is just simply darling...
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And I never leave a tip in a tip jar like is so popular at Starbucks. They make full wage.
On tipping in the United States, many Europeans are shocked to learn that most waiters in the US make something like $2 an hour and depend on tips. Since I have worked as a waitress before (at Cracker Barrel of all place), and since I know this, I usually leave 20 percent for good service, more for excellent service (I also leave more if my meal was ridiculously cheap, for example, at a diner--if I have a $7 hamburger at a place with table service I'll still leave $2 as a tip).

As for Starbucks etc. I know that are different opinions on this since they do make "full wage", but hardly anyone who works in the service industry in the United States makes a living wage; a barista at starbucks makes maybe $8 hr.--if this person worked full time at this job, 40 hrs per week, they would make c. $16,000/yr--putting them well below the national poverty line. (See the excellent book, Nickled and Dimed for more information on this.)
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Something to do with a war or something...?
Which war though and of course I know where San Diego is- love the place.
It is obvious that the definition has to do with the war over slavery, I thought that equally it may have to do with the Mexican- American law, but Texas is in the South. So that is not the case. The designation for Western as opposed to Southern is to do with American expansionism west. the border was the Appalachian Mountains, but then moved to the Mississippi River. Texas was originally designated as Western pre 1800 but with the shifting of the border is now Southern.

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The region encompasses some of the Louisiana Purchase, most of the land ceded by Britain in 1818, some of the land acquired when the Republic of Texas joined the U.S., all of the land ceded by Britain in 1846, all of the land ceded by Mexico in 1848, and all of the Gadsden Purchase.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_United_States

I am slowly remembering AP US History and why we have South-Western and Tex-Mex cuisine
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Like that is a bad thing??

Balancing it out - something for the ladies (and Adrian)

And to rephrase what was said about Daisy in those shorts:

John Schneider then:
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Huh? I've spent more years of my life in Houston than I ever wanted to, and this is the first I've heard of this. I'm not sure "townships" even exist in Texas.
Four things that change once you cross the Mississippi.

1. Radio stations change from W to K
2. There are no "townships" or any other surveying vestiges of our former oppressors.
3. A mysterious thing called "Frontage Road" pops up and seems to be EVERYWHERE!
4. And the best place to eat in a small town while traveling is either Dairy Queen or Whataburger. And there ain't no Dairy Queen like a Texas Dairy Queen.
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As for Starbucks etc. I know that are different opinions on this since they do make "full wage", but hardly anyone who works in the service industry in the United States makes a living wage; a barista at starbucks makes maybe $8 hr.--if this person worked full time at this job, 40 hrs per week, they would make c. $16,000/yr--putting them well below the national poverty line. (See the excellent book, Nickled and Dimed for more information on this.)
I'm tipping for the service, not funding a pity party.

I spent enough time in the service industry when I was younger to know how pitiful the wages are. And restaurant work was one of the most stressful and disgusting jobs there ever was.

Nor have I ever forgotten a particularly tough period of my life where I was living on food stamps and working full time, driving a beater without insurance, and rolling pennies for gas.

It's not my fault that wages are what they are, or that minimum wage isn't a livable wage. People have to lift themselves up if they want to get out of that situation, rather than to rely on charious donations from their customers.
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Re: Question for Americans: What is it with the South?

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Something to do with a war or something...?
Roll on John Cleese, and whatever you do, don't mention the W...
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Re: Question for Americans: What is it with the South?

I don't think that we're discussing charity here. Tipping a barista isn't charity. (Btw, she earned that extra buck by putting up with my fussy order...)

When I think back to hard times, it makes me feel compassion towards those people who may be going through them, though when and where to help is a difficult line to draw.

At any rate, one thing that I like a lot about Switzerland is the way people make a living wage here, for the most part.

But, the U.S. is a free country for both locals and visitors alike. Whether or not you put money in the tip jar is between you and Jesus (or insert equivalent moral compass here).

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I'm tipping for the service, not funding a pity party.

I spent enough time in the service industry when I was younger to know how pitiful the wages are. And restaurant work was one of the most stressful and disgusting jobs there ever was.

Nor have I ever forgotten a particularly tough period of my life where I was living on food stamps and working full time, driving a beater without insurance, and rolling pennies for gas.

It's not my fault that wages are what they are, or that minimum wage isn't a livable wage. People have to lift themselves up if they want to get out of that situation, rather than to rely on charious donations from their customers.
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It's not my fault that wages are what they are, or that minimum wage isn't a livable wage. People have to lift themselves up if they want to get out of that situation, rather than to rely on charious donations from their customers.

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Re: Question for Americans: What is it with the South?

I wish a bit of customer service wage was tip dependent here, though. There is a huge difference between Starbux in the US and here, where tips are already included in the sky high prices..I don't feel tiping a sourpuss person, who does not even greet me and throws a poorly made 8fr frapuccino at me, carrying on loud conversation about last night adventures with their buddies. So, it's nice to keep warm, charitable attitude, but just for sake of having it and feeling good about myself, makes zero sense. We need more competition, lower prices, maybe lower wages in service industry here, or simply better managers who hire the right staff, who knows.
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Re: Question for Americans: What is it with the South?

Just to clarify, I'm talking about tipping at the U.S. Starbucks, not the Swiss one.

Maybe this should be a separate thread, but I do wonder about the economic and cultural factors that make the customer service experience so different in Switzerland.

You wonder what would make people feel more invested in their work here. I think that's the problem in the end.

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I wish a bit of customer service wage was tip dependent here, though. There is a huge difference between Starbux in the US and here, where tips are already included in the sky high prices..I don't feel tiping a sourpuss person, who does not even greet me and throws a poorly made 8fr frapuccino at me, carrying on loud conversation about last night adventures with their buddies. So, it's nice to keep warm, charitable attitude, but just for sake of having it and feeling good about myself, makes zero sense. We need more competition, lower prices, maybe lower wages in service industry here, or simply better managers who hire the right staff, who knows.
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...Now, for me to comment one way or another whether YOU should visit the South, I'd have to know more about you and when you plan to visit and where exactly interests you. ... if you are non-white, you'd be advised by some to stay away from the South because some areas you may find uncomfortable. If you are white you may be advised to stay away also because there are some areas you may find uncomfy...
OK, as a mixed race couple, if we were to visit friends in Meridian, Mississippi, would we be likely to encounter difficulties? (Obviously, not from our friends...).

It's that issue that puts me off visiting the South.
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Re: Question for Americans: What is it with the South?

I have a couple of great country songs going through my head at the moment "Up against the wall redneck mother" and "Family Tradition" - both loaded with quality lines.

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Just'a good ol' boys
Never meanin' no harm.
Beats all you never saw
Been in trouble with the law
Since the day they was born

Staightnin' the curves
Flatnin the hills
Someday the mountain might get 'em
But the law never will

Makin' their way
The only way they know how
That's just a little bit more
Than the law will allow.

Makin' their way
The only way they know how
That's just a little bit more
Than the law will allow.

I'm a good ol' boy
You know my momma loves me
But she don't undestand
They keep a showin my hands and not my face on TV
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Tipping a barista isn't charity.
Why do they call them "baristas"?

"Barista" is Italian for bartender!

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