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Old 13.07.2011, 21:26
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His point being... what, exactly?
He's that kid in the back of the class, acting up, begging to get thrown out, terrified of being asked why he's doing what he's doing. Atheism is about an absence of theism. You can't "be" an Atheist. The guy's a c0ck
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Old 13.07.2011, 21:35
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Re: Any Pastafarians here?

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Context - as always - is everything.

Take on the Muslims in their own abode, for sure: go for it!

Take them on where they are a much-maligned minority? It's hardly sporting, is it?
Like Christian creationists are in your average college town, you mean?

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At the moment, nobody. But then what happens when the Austrian driving authority gets dozens upon dozens of requests from people wanting to wear daft things on their heads and the rule - which is currently quite fair and accommodating - is changed so that nobody can wear "confessional headgear"?
Well, hopefully what happens is that the Austrian driving authority shows some sense and/or backbone. Either it starts requiring 10,000 signatures in favor of a particular item of religious headgear, appoints a committee of anthropologists to judge the historical/cultural validity of new requests, there are tons of reasonable ways to handle this IF it happens. What are the chances though, do you reckon? Bit of a slippery slope argument.

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Because let's not be fooled here: this is exactly what the long term objective of such hilarity is.
Er, it's an atheist movement. You can hardly expect them to be unanimously in favor of concessions to organized religion. So yes, to whatever extent there is a "long term objective" at all, I'd expect it to be in that direction.
Somehow I doubt long-term objectives figure too much in your average pastafarian's belief system though. Fun and games and maybe a teeny tiny bit of attention seeking. Present company excepted of course.
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Fun and games and maybe a teeny tiny bit of attention seeking.
Indeed.

The phrase 'useful idiots' springs to mind.

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Indeed.

The phrase 'useful idiots' springs to mind.

Mr Haider would be proud of his noodly children.
As does the phrase 'conspiracy theorist' - but there. I think we're about due for another cup of tea, don't you?
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As does the phrase 'conspiracy theorist' - but there. I think we're about due for another cup of tea, don't you?
Yes.

Quit arguing with the appointed head of the household and go and put the kettle on, eh?
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At the moment, nobody. But then what happens when the Austrian driving authority gets dozens upon dozens of requests from people wanting to wear daft things on their heads and the rule - which is currently quite fair and accommodating - is changed so that nobody can wear "confessional headgear"? Because let's not be fooled here: this is exactly what the long term objective of such hilarity is.
Probably, but I think this is where the PC culture has wronged us so thoroughly. It is so easy to offend just about anyone over anything, see my question about tattoos if you doubt, that it makes little sense to cow to religions if they get offended by some guy who wants to wear a pastafarian headgear on his head. Sure, it's a silly joke and pastafarianism is meant to be a rather non-offensive challenge to a certain type of fundy but, seriously, you can't make all of the people happy all of the time. Not to mention, there are people who will be outraged over just about anything. Live in Boston sometime.

Hopefully, someone in the Austrian licensing bureau will just let it ride like the inside joke it is and tell anyone else who thinks it's offensive to just, well, go eat a cupcake or something.

What pisses me off, is that he looks better wearing a strainer and a hangover than I do in my own license photo. Hang that mo-fo!
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Re: Any Pastafarians here?

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Yes.

Quit arguing with the appointed head of the household and go and put the kettle on, eh?
"Yes dear." ...and you know what THAT means
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Old 13.07.2011, 21:45
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Er, it's an atheist movement. You can hardly expect them to be unanimously in favor of concessions to organized religion. So yes, to whatever extent there is a "long term objective" at all, I'd expect it to be in that direction.
Somehow I doubt long-term objectives figure too much in your average pastafarian's belief system though. Fun and games and maybe a teeny tiny bit of attention seeking. Present company excepted of course.
I'm a pastafarian, also a recovering Catholic, and we are not necessarily an atheist 'movement' per se....we're just a bunch of folks who think the fuss over creationism in the US is rather....last century. We have no objectives other than, perhaps, having a bit of fun and the expense of the fundies. Besides, atheists are definitely not joiners and not organised.
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Old 13.07.2011, 21:49
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On the other hand, who would be affected by insisting upon strictly equal treatment for all?
Thin edge of the wedge. He was likely hoping to get them to deny his request in order to bring a legal case.
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Oh, those folks just replaced God with Mao. Try again. Not to mention they were very well mobilised and organised...
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"Yes dear." ...and you know what THAT means

when was the last time you two actually spoke to each other
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Old 13.07.2011, 21:51
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Thin edge of the wedge. He was likely hoping to get them to deny his request in order to bring a legal case.
... which would ultimately result in the loss of one tiny (and insignificant to others) privilege enjoyed by some of the least liked in European society.

Way to go, Pastafarians!

Next, the gypsies!
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About the time she started disagreeing with me on the internet.

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Oh, those folks just replaced God with Mao.
Who? The Chinese?
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I am gonna establish "Mosque of KebapFarians". Who is in?!
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About the time she started disagreeing with me on the internet.

take her keyboard away, that'll learn her
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I am gonna establish "Mosque of KebapFarianis". Who is in?!
If you've got the bottle to do it in Riyadh, Konya or Tehran, count me in.

Otherwise, forget it.
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Old 13.07.2011, 21:57
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Who? The Chinese?
Well, you put up the pic of Mao so I assumed you meant the Chinese...yes.

I think you might be putting too much meaning into the guy's antic as, sure, there is a resemblance to a skullcap but, honestly, I think he was just trying to have a bit of fun. If he wasn't, even then, I think they should best ignore him as we spend/waste far too much time trying to assign meaning to things that just aren't there. We're not a movement, just a bunch of educated folks who think creationism is a bit too much.
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I think you might be putting too much meaning into the guy's antic as, sure, there is a resemblance to a skullcap but, honestly, I think he was just trying to have a bit of fun.
Three years of fun?

Sounds like a lot of effort for 'a bit of fun'.

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If he wasn't, even then, I think they should best ignore him as we spend/waste far too much time trying to assign meaning to things that just aren't there. We're not a movement, just a bunch of educated folks who think creationism is a bit too much.
As I said before, if Pastafarians reserved their pisstaking for those who really deserve it, those who abuse their power to make insistent and unfair demands upon the rest of the population, then I'd be fine with it.

What this chap is doing, on the other hand, smells of something a little bit too familiar... something with which anyone who places any value on the freedom of conscience should feel a little uncomfortable.

If you're all cool with denying trifling privileges to unliked minorities, though, please go ahead! May you be touched by His Noodly Appendage, in the certain knowledge that what you are doing is Righteous and Good &c &c...
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Old 13.07.2011, 22:08
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Three years of fun?

Sounds like a lot of effort for 'a bit of fun'.
Well, maybe I'm too American, but when you want something, you want something, especially if it's as pointless as a strainer on your head. He's young and stupid...god knows we've all been there.

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As I said before, if Pastafarians reserved their pisstaking for those who really deserve it, those who abuse their power to make insistent and unfair demands upon the rest of the population, then I'd be fine with it.

What this chap is doing, on the other hand, smells of something a little bit too familiar... something with which anyone who places any value on the freedom of conscience should feel a little uncomfortable.

If you're all cool with denying trifling privileges to unliked minorities, though, please go ahead! May you be touched by His Noodly Appendage, in the certain knowledge that what you are doing is Righteous and Good &c &c...
I read the same article as you did and I really didn't get the impression he was out to get the muslim community. I'm sure there are a number of said photos in the US but is just didn't get any attention because nobody gave a damn as long as they could see your eyes and your face.

I mean, maybe he is being sinister and assholey but...that wouldn't be a part of pastafarianism.
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