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20.07.2011, 13:55
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| | Re: Civil Liberties et al | Quote: | |  | | | I wonder what would happen if any of those naughty criminals carried fake ID? Thank goodness none of them are bright enough to think of that.  | | | | | Your diehard professional crim, granted. But your average opportunist street mugger, drunken oik? Probably not.
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20.07.2011, 14:00
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| | Re: Civil Liberties et al | Quote: | |  | | | Not the police, just the husband/wife/boyfriend divorce ruining everybody's life side of it. | | | | | Helpfully discovered by police powers. They could choose who to do it too, extra-marital affairs are pretty common.
Everyone has something they may be embarrassed about, or may not want people in one social group or maybe the people at work knowing what they're doing at other times. That's why I say people who say they have nothing to hide are lying or boring. I don't really mean they have outragreous law breaking behaviours, it's more the little things, what sort of porn do you look at, what are your poilitical views, what you get up to in bed, how much money do you have in your bank account, how drunk you get.
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20.07.2011, 14:04
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| | Re: Civil Liberties et al | Quote: | |  | | | Now, given that the above is probably true, what is it exactly that innocent law abiding citizens are against when it comes to identity cards, CCTV, and even tracking through facial recognition and mobile phone/email snooping? | | | | |
All these things may solve crimes, they do not prevent them.
Soft Prevention such as above,rarely works.
I do not envy this Big Brother world of yours. Privacy and freedom go hand in hand.
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20.07.2011, 14:07
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| | Re: Civil Liberties et al | Quote: | |  | | | This is not just about ID cards, it's also about mobile phone tracking, implants for tracking, facial recognition, number plate recognition etc. Of course you can fake an ID card, but you wouldn't have a facelift, steal someone elses car/phone/wallet etc just to commit a crime. And of course if the system worked properly the authorities would also know this... | | | | | Wait. Just...wait.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. Are you advocating implants to make people trackable?
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20.07.2011, 14:08
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| | Re: Civil Liberties et al | Quote: | |  | | | Wait. Just...wait.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. Are you advocating implants to make people trackable? | | | | | | The following 3 users would like to thank Ouchboy for this useful post: | | 
20.07.2011, 14:09
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The big brother world is not mine, but I do wonder what people have against it.
For example in Norway everybody's tax return is available for anybody to see for free on the internet (official government website). This would normally cause riots in the streets, so why is it ok for the people of Norway and not us?
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20.07.2011, 14:10
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| | Re: Civil Liberties et al | Quote: | |  | | | Wait. Just...wait.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. Are you advocating implants to make people trackable? | | | | | Not advocating it, just asking why we don't do it if it means it cuts down on crime.
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20.07.2011, 14:11
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| | Re: Civil Liberties et al | Quote: | |  | | | For example in Norway everybody's tax return is available for anybody to see for free on the internet (official government website). This would normally cause riots in the streets, so why is it ok for the people of Norway and not us? | | | | |
Post your tax return here then.
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20.07.2011, 14:16
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| | Re: Civil Liberties et al | Quote: | |  | | | Not advocating it, just asking why we don't do it if it means it cuts down on crime. | | | | | Um, because I like my privacy? | 
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| | Re: Civil Liberties et al | Quote: | |  | | | Post your tax return here then. | | | | | Ha, my point exactly! People would rather talk about their sex life (once a week if I'm lucky) rather than talk about how much they earn. I also think that I already put what I earn in another thread so it's not a big secret.
I did find my wife talking to her mother about our sex life strangely disturbing though come to think of it.
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20.07.2011, 14:18
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| | Re: Civil Liberties et al | Quote: | |  | | | Um, because I like my privacy?  | | | | | But you're dying to know about your neighbours' sex life though, huh?
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20.07.2011, 14:22
| | Re: Civil Liberties et al | Quote: | |  | | | This is not just about ID cards, it's also about mobile phone tracking, implants for tracking, facial recognition, number plate recognition etc. Of course you can fake an ID card, but you wouldn't have a facelift, steal someone elses car/phone/wallet etc just to commit a crime. And of course if the system worked properly the authorities would also know this... | | | | | Indeed. Things would get very bad if criminals smart enough to use fake ID also realised that they could steal cars and the like in the execution of a crime, instead of using their own car.
And, phew, thank goodness for The Authorities, eh?!?!? Thank goodness that policemen don't take bungs, that journalists don't break the law, that personal information never gets misused, that big business is ethically and morally above reproach.
I mean, what sort of world would it be otherwise? | The following 7 users would like to thank for this useful post: | | 
20.07.2011, 14:26
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| | Re: Civil Liberties et al | Quote: | |  | | | Ha, my point exactly! People would rather talk about their sex life (once a week if I'm lucky) rather than talk about how much they earn. I also think that I already put what I earn in another thread so it's not a big secret. | | | | | How is that your point exactly? Unless your original point was that people like their privacy and should be concerned about how much invasion into it there is.
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20.07.2011, 14:28
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| | Re: Civil Liberties et al | Quote: | |  | | | Indeed. Things would get very bad if criminals smart enough to use fake ID also realised that they could steal cars and the like in the execution of a crime, instead of using their own car.
And, phew, thank goodness for The Authorities, eh?!?!? Thank goodness that policemen don't take bungs, that journalists don't break the law, that personal information never gets misused, that big business is ethically and morally above reproach.
I mean, what sort of world would it be otherwise?  | | | | | Yes, but of course the journalists etc would also be caught, along with the corrupt policemen. Life would be perfect if we were all open and honest about everything.
Maybe this is the problem, and we are not capable of being open and honest about things because we don't trust other people.
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20.07.2011, 14:30
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| | Re: Civil Liberties et al | Quote: | |  | | | How is that your point exactly? Unless your original point was that people like their privacy and should be concerned about how much invasion into it there is. | | | | | No, my point was that people hide information that they consider private, even though it probably makes no difference to anybody.
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20.07.2011, 14:31
| | Re: Civil Liberties et al | Quote: | |  | | | For example in Norway everybody's tax return is available for anybody to see for free on the internet (official government website). This would normally cause riots in the streets, so why is it ok for the people of Norway and not us? | | | | | Sorry to be the bringer of good news, but I think you may find that you are living in a canton where (unless you have taken specific action) your tax return is available for public (i.e your neighbours') inspection and entertainment | 
20.07.2011, 14:32
| | Re: Civil Liberties et al | Quote: | |  | | | Wait. Just...wait.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. Are you advocating implants to make people trackable? | | | | | Mrs T advocated that and it didn't end well for her.
Anyway, I think implanting Nigel with a tracking chip is wet liberal nonsense. For Nigel, I think this is most applicable. Try committing a crime now mate. | This user would like to thank for this useful post: | | 
20.07.2011, 14:32
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| | Re: Civil Liberties et al | Quote: | |  | | | Life would be perfect if we were all open and honest about everything.
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20.07.2011, 14:33
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| | Re: Civil Liberties et al | Quote: | |  | | | Sorry to be the bringer of good news, but I think you may find that you are living in a canton where (unless you have taken specific action) your tax return is available for public (i.e your neighbours') inspection and entertainment  | | | | | That's OK. I earn what I earn and I am either happy or unhappy with that figure. The fact that my neighbour can find it out doesn't change anything. Unless of course he earns more than I do in which case I can choose to do something about it (ask for a pay rise etc).
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20.07.2011, 14:35
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| | Re: Civil Liberties et al | Quote: | |  | | | Mrs T advocated that and it didn't end well for her.
Anyway, I think implanting Nigel with a tracking chip is wet liberal nonsense. For Nigel, I think this is most applicable. Try committing a crime now mate.  | | | | | Could I at least have blue ones?
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