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The BBC article says that the father said it would have been better if his son had commited suicide, not that it would be best if he now does commit suicide.
Quite different.
Point taken, I was not aware of the ambiguity of my wording. The father said that. Suicide on the spot, so to say. The discussion about suicide went off in all directions from there.
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Old 28.07.2011, 14:15
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...an-reveal.html

Not a single mention of the worst terrorist in this article. I'm disgusted
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Re: Explosion in Oslo

Now the Norway attacks are being blamed on the Jews and Mossad:




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Now the Norway attacks are being blamed on the Jews and Mossad:

That blame game started as soon as the bomb went off. Starts as soon as any bomb goes off, any disaster really.
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Re: Explosion in Oslo

He has now gone to open court, but is not allowed to families of the victims. Possible trial date is on 16.04.2012

http://www.thelocal.no/page/view/bre...-in-open-court

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The 32-year-old right-wing extremist, wearing a dark suit, white shirt and light blue tie and sporting a narrow beard, asked judge Torkel Nesheim if he could speak to the families "for five minutes," but was turned down.
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Re: Explosion in Oslo

Breivik's island massacre was plan B: lawyer

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Norwegian right-wing extremist Anders Behring Breivik went on his killing spree on Utøya island on July 22nd because a bomb he set off failed to demolish the prime minister's offices, his lawyer was quoted as saying on Friday.

According to VG though, the right-wing extremist had hoped to kill Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Støre, who had visited Utøya a day earlier, former prime minister Gro Harlem Brundtland, who was on the island just hours before the attacks, or the head of the Labour Party youth wing Eskil Pedersen.

His aim, according to the paper, was to grab one of these top politicians and execute him or her while giving a speech and filming his actions.
The Local, Norway

also on the BBC
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Norway massacre: Anders Breivik declared insane

I think we all knew he was insane BUT does that mean he should not be punished for what he did?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-15936276

NO, he should be in Jail for the rest of his life without any interaction to the outside world what so ever, a very long hard time to think of what he did .. that is what I think.
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Re: Norway massacre: Anders Breivik declared insane

In other news, Pope declared Catholic and bears do, indeed, $hit in the woods.

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Re: Norway massacre: Anders Breivik declared insane

Wouldn't it be more practical to put him to sleep?

I mean I am not decided on the death penalty as such but in this case, he will never walk away free again, and is likely to end his life inside anyway so why bother? It will also send a strong signal to anyone with any 'insane' ideas!
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Back to topic, this just means he will spend the rest of his days in a secure hospital (think Broadmoor) rather than a prison.
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Old 29.11.2011, 21:44
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Re: Explosion in Oslo

At some point, any justice system is unable to produce a sentence matching the crime. Breivik knows that he won't be enjoying freedom in his life again, Norwegian society wouldn't allow it, but he is clearly a disturbed individual that won't or can't be punished as his victims' families may wish.

So the mental insanity route has been selected. Maybe it is "One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest II"' maybe Breivik is intelligent enough to fool whatever mental health experts that are assessing him, but what sentence can you give apart from life under supervision, whether that is served in a high security hospital or a jail?

There is nothing to rehabilitate in this monstrous example of humanity. Nothing to cure, nothing to bring him back into society, nothing to make better what he did. There was just a trail of death and sadistic murders of innocent people, mainly youngsters and children. Nothing can bring them back and we are all helpless because we can't solve this unsolvable challenge of justice.
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Re: Explosion in Oslo

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At some point, any justice system is unable to produce a sentence matching the crime. Breivik knows that he won't be enjoying freedom in his life again, Norwegian society wouldn't allow it, but he is clearly a disturbed individual that won't or can't be punished as his victims' families may wish.

So the mental insanity route has been selected. Maybe it is "One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest II"' maybe Breivik is intelligent enough to fool whatever mental health experts that are assessing him, but what sentence can you give apart from life under supervision, whether that is served in a high security hospital or a jail?

There is nothing to rehabilitate in this monstrous example of humanity. Nothing to cure, nothing to bring him back into society, nothing to make better what he did. There was just a trail of death and sadistic murders of innocent people, mainly youngsters and children. Nothing can bring them back and we are all helpless because we can't solve this unsolvable challenge of justice.
Right, while I would have wished him the worst possible death, correct justice has to be correct and is NOT to yield to instincts and emotions ! As Helmut Schmidt once said "Der Rechtsstaat ist unteilbar" = "the law-state is indivisable". You cannot have a correct judiciary on Monday, Wednesday and Friday, and a judiciary acting up to you emotions on Tuesday and Thursday
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Old 30.11.2011, 11:53
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Re: Explosion in Oslo

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At some point, any justice system is unable to produce a sentence matching the crime. Breivik knows that he won't be enjoying freedom in his life again, Norwegian society wouldn't allow it, but he is clearly a disturbed individual that won't or can't be punished as his victims' families may wish.

So the mental insanity route has been selected. Maybe it is "One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest II"' maybe Breivik is intelligent enough to fool whatever mental health experts that are assessing him, but what sentence can you give apart from life under supervision, whether that is served in a high security hospital or a jail?

There is nothing to rehabilitate in this monstrous example of humanity. Nothing to cure, nothing to bring him back into society, nothing to make better what he did. There was just a trail of death and sadistic murders of innocent people, mainly youngsters and children. Nothing can bring them back and we are all helpless because we can't solve this unsolvable challenge of justice.
I think it was clear from early on that he was mad, as with that amount of criminal energy he could have caused far more and more focussed damage.
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Re: Explosion in Oslo

He is still claiming he is not mad! BBC reports victims' families walk out in protest as he justifies the murders.
He said that he would do it all again, that his actions were "based on goodness, not evil", and that he had acted to defend Norway against immigration and multiculturalism. Very, very harrowing!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18546626

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He is still claiming he is not mad! BBC reports victims' families walk out in protest as he justifies the murders. Very, very harrowing!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18546626

Why does it anger you that he is not claiming insanity? I think there are bad people out there that have bad intentions. I am so sick of people who do wrong, then wimp out and claim an insanity plea to try to get their sentences reduced. Let him try to justify them. We all know he is wrong. And with any luck, they will hang him by his balls.


I don't believe the insanity plea at all, and almost never will. People who calculate murder are different from some one losing control of themselves.
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Re: Explosion in Oslo

I believe he is claiming he is NOT insane, as there might be a possibility of release after say 15 or 20 years.

If he is found guilty there is every chance he will develop a worse insanity in hospital, and he will never be released.

For the families it is especially harrowing as he claims in court he had the right to kill them.
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I believe he is claiming he is NOT insane, as there might be a possibility of release after say 15 or 20 years.

If he is found guilty there is every chance he will develop a worse insanity in hospital, and he will never be released.

For the families it is especially harrowing as he claims in court he had the right to kill them.
Well what u expect him to say? It's harder to kill then to talk.
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Re: Explosion in Oslo

Declared sane.

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Absolute disgrace.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/24/wo...html?hpt=hp_t1
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Re: Explosion in Oslo

The verdict is back. 21 years for Breivik. There was no longer option available to prosecutors under present Norwegian law.

BBC link here


I guess it's a better verdict having him sentenced as sane rather than playing the insanity card which would have had him sent from one mental institution to another.

I don't know how any of this helps any of the families of the 77 slaughtered victims, but my feeling is that the Norwegians will do well to repeal their penal system to ensure that Breivik doesn't get to sniff freedom again in 2033.
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