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Old 23.07.2011, 02:30
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Am I being belligerent? While I think your statement was in correct?
I'm just not sure why the extra information you added was relevant to anything. I don't think anyone needs convinced that al-queda are evil.
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Any Norwegian members who can shed a light on the internal politics of "Norway Labour Party" and why someone would attack them?

I'm totally not buying this terrorist attack theory, this is pure politics what happened and there's a reason behind it.

Some piece of info i found is:

Norwegian politics and the democratic outlook? Blood is thicker than water.


Abbas launches state initiative in Oslo




Apparently there were a major debate between Labour & opposition on this issue since 19th July
This WAS a terrorist attack and the man IS a terrorist. The only question is of what political origin the man is. The politics of the Norwegian Social Democratic Party is hardly a question as the party is one of the best known Socialist parties of the world. The party in WWII harboured Willy Brandt and its leaders after the war motivated Willy Brandt to return to Germany and to enter German politics.

I however do not believe that the Norwegian oppostion parties have started to use terrorism as political means.
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Old 23.07.2011, 02:33
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Just because he's blond doesn't discount that he could be an Islamic terrorist!
But that he is a Norwegian national makes it clear that he is a NORWEGIAN terrorist
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Old 23.07.2011, 02:45
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I am totally uninformed about Norwegian politics, so until someone/some group claims responsibility or the police investigation (hopefully critically monitored) discloses the perpetrator(s) and motive(s), I must admit that I have no idea...

Sceptic as I am, I shake my head about Islam, Mossad, and the like or unlike. There may be a higher power (which probably will never be identified) responsible for this, but it may also have a more vulgar background.

Nevertheless, this is another shock to our 'civilised' world. Speculations will only create more unrest...

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Sorry but there is a contradiction. You first shake your head about Islam (I suppose you mean fundamentalist extremists ? and not the religion) and Judaism (or did you mean the Mossad or some Israeli extremists ? ); and then you speak about speculations. Subject to speculation may be what you regard as "civilized world" !
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Old 23.07.2011, 02:48
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This WAS a terrorist attack and the man IS a terrorist. The only question is of what political origin the man is. The politics of the Norwegian Social Democratic Party is hardly a question as the party is one of the best known Socialist parties of the world. The party in WWII harboured Willy Brandt and its leaders after the war motivated Willy Brandt to return to Germany and to enter German politics.

I however do not believe that the Norwegian oppostion parties have started to use terrorism as political means.
I totally agree with you, but if you read the NPSS assessment, they have information that extreme right is being supported by external organizations / countries...that's why i raise the questions about IS involvment
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Old 23.07.2011, 02:53
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I totally agree with you, but if you read the NPSS assessment, they have information that extreme right is being supported by external organizations / countries...that's why i raise the questions about IS involvment
that position of the Norwegian authorities is not sustainable for more than a day. They will have to name the Norwegian organisation in question, and they will have to name "external organisations" involved. Otherwise they will get into a serious credibility gap.
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that position of the Norwegian authorities is not sustainable for more than a day. They will have to name the Norwegian organisation in question, and they will have to name "external organisations" involved. Otherwise they will get into a serious credibility gap.
This is what i'm wishing for wether it be the Russians for oil or Israelis for the Palestinian state / boycott
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Old 23.07.2011, 03:50
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This is what i'm wishing for wether it be the Russians for oil or Israelis for the Palestinian state / boycott
The Daily Mirror and the Daily Star in THESE reports

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-23290207/

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view...TERROR-ATTACK/

write about 30 people killled on the island. Under the onslaught of such reports in the media in the world, the Norwegian police will have to open up

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Here the report of the Khaleej Times (Dubai)

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayA...=international

and here the latest report of the Blick

http://www.blick.ch/news/ausland/jet...endcamp-177313

and here LE MONDE

http://www.lemonde.fr/europe/article...ens_id=1551858

and finally the Corriere della Sera

http://www.corriere.it/esteri/11_lug...1ae54dd1.shtml
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The Daily Mirror and the Daily Star in THESE reports

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-23290207/

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view...TERROR-ATTACK/

write about 30 people killled on the island. Under the onslaught of such reports in the media in the world, the Norwegian police will have to open up

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Here the report of the Khaleej Times (Dubai)

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayA...=international

and here the latest report of the Blick

http://www.blick.ch/news/ausland/jet...endcamp-177313

and here LE MONDE

http://www.lemonde.fr/europe/article...ens_id=1551858

and finally the Corriere della Sera

http://www.corriere.it/esteri/11_lug...1ae54dd1.shtml
Local sources says helicopters over Utøya and death toll much higher than announced.

This is a very reliable source in Utøya now: @rtege
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Old 23.07.2011, 06:44
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Police confirms at least 80 killed at Utøya, total killed at least 87
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Re: Explosion in Oslo

A link to a collection of Anders Behring Breiviks comments http://www.document.no/anders-behring-breivik/
Found the link at nrk.no
Document.no is a Norwegian forum for political discussions, and apparently a site that attracts a number of people with extreme political views (as can be expected).
So, it seems he is clearly against multiculturalism and islamisation (whether you define the latter as a political process or not). He expresses that this leads to the degradation of European culture, christianity, traditions and European/national identity.

(I have not read the whole document, cannot confirm whether it is authentic or not, and I am referring to a paragraph written on the 31st of Oct 2009, that I found interesting.)
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Extreme-right nationalist confirmed. Name and picture of the man now public, the police must have solid reasons to think that they will keep him for a while...
In Norwegian: http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/ir...cle4181012.ece
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Re: Explosion in Oslo

Now 84 confirmed dead (from the island).
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Old 23.07.2011, 10:14
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They found 4 more, now it is at least 91 killed in the two attacks,

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14259328
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Re: Explosion in Oslo

At the latest press conf., the police said that A.B.B. has made it clear that he "wants to explain".
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Unconfirmed (?) info:
The explosion in Oslo was the result of a car bomb.
The undetonated explosives found on the island were found in a car.
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The explosion in Oslo was the result of a car bomb.
The undetonated explosives found on the island were found in a car.
Car bomb.....so how the explosion happened in last floor, this doesn't make sense



On other news, Norwegian police suspect describe the mass killing of as "Christian fundamentalist!"...Extreme right it is......the last question now, who gave him the bombs and trained him??

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Re: Explosion in Oslo

Apparently A.B.B. might be sentenced to 21 years.
We have to wait and see. Right now the police is collecting evidence; photos, videos etc. They have searched his apartment. The police say the investigation is going to take a long time...
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Apparently A.B.B. might be sentenced to 21 years.
We have to wait and see. Right now the police is collecting evidence; photos, videos etc. They have searched his apartment. The police say the investigation is going to take a long time...
21 years for all this massacre......is this a joke

Anyone knows whats the maximum sentence in Norwegian law and for what crime is it?
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Anyone knows whats the maximum sentence in Norwegian law and for what crime is it?
It's dealt as a terrorist action, and the legal frame is 21 years. I saw that in the newspaper.
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