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Re: Amy Winehouse found found dead in flat

Saw her at volkshaus a few years ago and when she was good she was very very good.......unfortunately she also fell on stage and looked completely out of it.

I was so looking forward to seeing her at Moon and Stars and was hoping that when it was announced this indicated maybe that the last bout of rehab had helped a little.

Fantastic performer and incredible voice when on form, brilliant writer, 2 truly outstanding albums.......would have loved to see her live and kicking even if not performing but not to be.

Hope Hollywood leaves her life alone for a little while at least.

Thoughts to the family...
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Old 23.07.2011, 23:53
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Her ex-husband claims to have introduced her to crack. He is presently in prison for drug related burglary. It seems like an addictive love.

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I know the song well, but hadn't seen the video before. Someone posted it earlier, but I thought it worth repeating.

What a voice. What a face. What a waste.

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Re: Amy Winehouse found found dead in flat

Some people have been saying "so much tragic news this weekend, first Norway and now Amy" - seriously? How can you compare innocent people being shot dead / blown up with the death of a person who has proudly and publicly made bad choices to the detriment of herself and all around her? To me, that's disrespectful.
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Some people have been saying "so much tragic news this weekend, first Norway and now Amy" - seriously? How can you compare innocent people being shot dead / blown up with the death of a person who has proudly and publicly made bad choices to the detriment of herself and all around her? To me, that's disrespectful.
It's all human lives loss....regardless of who they are and what they did in their lives.....condolences to all families of everyone who lost their life this weekend.
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Re: Amy Winehouse found found dead in flat

No disrespect to the memory of this woman, but we all have a responsibility to our friends and family to look after ourselves and stay safe. It takes seconds to end your life but the pain it causes lasts a lifetime. I hope her family manage to find the strength to cope with their loss.
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Old 24.07.2011, 01:29
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Some people have been saying "so much tragic news this weekend, first Norway and now Amy" - seriously? How can you compare innocent people being shot dead / blown up with the death of a person who has proudly and publicly made bad choices to the detriment of herself and all around her? To me, that's disrespectful.
It's not a matter of "My grief is bigger than your grief".

The circumstances of all these awful deaths were very different. But look beyond that. The emotion at the heart of the sadness is surely the same: wasted potential. That is the common sadness here. The teenagers in Norway had very different lives from Amy Winehouse, but the source of the grief is the same: youth extinguished; potential unfulfilled.

We can feel grief towards the Norwegian teenagers AND towards Amy Winehouse. They are not mutually exclusive.

If you feel that AW's death was simply due to yeah, y'know, some bad choices... then you have no understanding of addiction. If you think she made choices about her lifestyle in the same way that you made choices about this weekend's meals when you were in Migros, let me tell you that you are wrong.

As the great poet Donne said: "Ask not for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee."

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No disrespect to the memory of this woman, but we all have a responsibility to our friends and family to look after ourselves and stay safe. It takes seconds to end your life but the pain it causes lasts a lifetime. I hope her family manage to find the strength to cope with their loss.
We are all different.

Some of us were destined to stay with us for a short time but burn brightly.

It's just sad that Amy has gone.
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I know the song well, but hadn't seen the video before. Someone posted it earlier, but I thought it worth repeating.

What a voice. What a face. What a waste.

It is said to me about her ex. sounds plausible to me, I can play it again and again and often do. that and of course this one. I am just happy for what she gave:



I think many of us (women) have a little bit of Amy in us. She was so raw and unique.

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It is said to me about her ex. sounds plausible to me, I can play it again and again and often do. that and of course this one. I am just happy for what she gave:



I think many of us women have a little bit of Amy in us. She was so raw and unique.
And I think that many of us men would like to have had a little of us in Amy.

On that scandalous note, I will leave you all to it, and bid the forum farewell.

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It's not a matter of "My grief is bigger than your grief".

The circumstances of all these awful deaths were very different. But look beyond that. The emotion at the heart of the sadness is surely the same: wasted potential. That is the common sadness here. The teenagers in Norway had very different lives from Amy Winehouse, but the source of the grief is the same: youth extinguished; potential unfulfilled.

We can feel grief towards the Norwegian teenagers AND towards Amy Winehouse. They are not mutually exclusive.

If you feel that AW's death was simply due to yeah, y'know, some bad choices... then you have no understanding of addiction. If you think she made choices about her lifestyle in the same way that you made choices about this weekend's meals when you were in Migros, let me tell you that you are wrong.

As the great poet Donne said: "Ask not for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee."
So we have to have an uderstanding of addiction now do we to be allowed to comment? Come off it.
I'm watching the movie Bad Leutenant at the moment. A story about a bad cop with an addiction. At least he (the ficticious character) did one redeeming act in his sorry life. Not sure if the same could be said for Amy Winehouse. Her parents (father especially) went public and sadly exclaimed that if she didn't quit the junk, she'd kill herself. Though I'm anti-drugs and even I thought he was hyping it up. How wrong I was. Her music and voice were class but she sure wasn't. I feel sorry for her parents wh opened their hearts in public about their worries about her addictions. I hope they feel that they did what they could, becauase I certainly feel that they probably couldn't have done more to save their daughter from her flaws and demons. The poor souls.

I personally think that anyone who wants to have their own kids one day shouldn't touch drugs themselves if they want their futute kids to stay away from them.

I wish the British (and other countries') press didn't contrieve with all these celebrities just to knock them down and then sell more papers as they resurface again and again and again.

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I do not understand addiction because I have never been an addict (well at least not drugs or alcohol). She's dead, so we will probably ever know the real story. It seems that she hurt herself more than anyone, so who are we to judge. I judge her on her music which brought so much pleasure to so many. I didn't interpret her music to be 'druggy'music. . The music, lyrics and the way she used her voice just nailed deep and conflicting emotions.
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Some people have been saying "so much tragic news this weekend, first Norway and now Amy" - seriously? How can you compare innocent people being shot dead / blown up with the death of a person who has proudly and publicly made bad choices to the detriment of herself and all around her? To me, that's disrespectful.
Admittedly when I heard this story earlier tonight at a party I was stunned.
But when you think about it. 6 children per 1000 dying per day in Somalia. 32 dead in a train crash in China.
Hopefully puts things into perspective.
BBC still reporting Amy's death second to Norway terrible tragedy. Right now on BBC World they've got the deputy editor of Rolling Stone magazine talking via a webcam saying that her death will be looked on in a dim view (ie it was her own doing) in the US at least for a few days.
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I liked her music but I'm not a particularly big fan, however, one thing has struck me after reading many reports taken from people who knew her; family, fellow artists, backing-band members and their accounts of her are so interesting, heartfelt and a world away from the sensationalist junk which solely centres on her drug and alcohol abuse.

This happens with so many celebrities - the papers just publish all the negative stuff and either intentionally or unintentionally pigeonhole them as being the dregs of society with some talent on the side.

It's a crying shame that all the good and properly interesting substantiated details of their often complex lives only emerge after their demise.

I guess it says a lot about the readership and its insatiable desire for sex and scandal. Details of someone's genuine talent and personality that thrust them into the limelight in the first place is obviously so dull and doesn't turn a profit.

RIP Amy.

Plus the apparent pissing contest between whose deaths are more significant this weekend is just shameful and makes my skin crawl.

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Re: Amy Winehouse found found dead in flat

Terribly sad.

An incredible artist and a sensitive, troubled, lost soul. I hope she has found the peace in death that she just could not find in life.

I was a pretty naive fan - I actually believed she'd pull herself together and come back with another smashing album. I thought she would beat her demons sooner or later.

Although at times it was like watching a slow motion car crash.

Awful.
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A very sad end to the troubled, turbulent life of a very talented young lady. She certainly had her demons, and fought a very long and public battle to overcome them. Sadly, they got the better of her in the end. History shows a pattern of very talented people teetering on the edge of, or succumbing to, excessive, habitual or addictive behaviour.

Addiction is a terrible illness. Never understimate the power and the hold it can have over someone in its powerful grip.
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Re: Amy Winehouse found found dead in flat

Amy has found her peace. I hope her family and friends can now find theirs too. I'm sure they've all been affected by her addictions and behaviour.
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If you feel that AW's death was simply due to yeah, y'know, some bad choices... then you have no understanding of addiction. If you think she made choices about her lifestyle in the same way that you made choices about this weekend's meals when you were in Migros, let me tell you that you are wrong.

As the great poet Donne said: "Ask not for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee."
I absolutely understand addiction, having buried friends and family because of it, I've seen the lying , the stubbornness, the deceit, the selfishness that goes with it. Nobody forces you to start drinking too much or to take drugs, that part you decide for yourself and with all the information and many sad examples of where it leads to available, the only right choice is to say no. However, some people revel in going against the rules and common sense, hurting themselves and their family in doing so.

We buried my alcoholic uncle a few months back and I distinctly remember him trying to get everyone around him to drink with him, he absolutely refused to acknowledge how much trouble and hurt he was causing us. This is also why I take a very dim view of people who nag you to drink at parties or in the pub and then declare you no fun if you stick to your guns (and soft drink).

Making this woman some sort of glamorous martyr to the rock and roll lifestyle sends out the wrong message. To assume that people are helpless is not useful, you DO have a choice, right at the start and every day thereafter. If your child /sibling / parent / best friend behaved how she did, would you put it down to "just living their life without compromise"?

Like I said, it's very sad for the family and I agree that a more balanced portrayal of Amy while she was alive would maybe have had a big impact. If you think that she is all about the negative things, you might not feel inclined to fight for her to get better. Because you do have to fight and you probably will lose but you still keep trying. I also don't understand why she was not sectioned although her father asked her to be, as she was clearly harming herself.
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Re: Amy Winehouse found found dead in flat

There is a famous quote attributed to Hunter S. Thompson that goes something like this:

"The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side."
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Making this woman some sort of glamorous martyr to the rock and roll lifestyle sends out the wrong message. To assume that people are helpless is not useful, you DO have a choice, right at the start and every day thereafter. If your child /sibling / parent / best friend behaved how she did, would you put it down to "just living their life without compromise"?
It's only the media which has glamourised her drug and alcohol-fuelled image. If they would concentrate on her talent and the less salacious aspects of her life she would have turned from "tortured junkie" to "successful British artist" which is much more of a role model.

But that doesn't sell newspapers, unfortunately.
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