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And I think that many of us men would like to have had a little of us in Amy.

On that scandalous note, I will leave you all to it, and bid the forum farewell.

Hey, where are you going?
Why is that scandalous?
As if some others wouldn't think the same ...
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I think that you are taking an overly simplistic view here. Whilst agreeing that Amy made a personal choice to take drugs for the first time, she was clearly a very sensitive, delicate soul, who very quickly succumbed to addiction.

If blame were to be apportioned, it should go to those who introduced her to drugs in the first place. When you are young, and especially in the environment in which she found herself, it is incredibly easy to get embroiled in the 'glamour, fun and intimacy' of drug-taking. I, of course, know that drug-taking is none of these things, but to too many young and impressionable people this is how it appears.

And I too am speaking from experience. Whilst living in Chelsea many years ago, parties and socials that did not involve exposure to, and in some cases the excessive use of, drugs were by far the exception.
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Re: Amy Winehouse found found dead in flat

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It's only the media which has glamourised her drug and alcohol-fuelled image. If they would concentrate on her talent and the less salacious aspects of her life she would have turned from "tortured junkie" to "successful British artist" which is much more of a role model.

But that doesn't sell newspapers, unfortunately.
Absolutely and I wonder how much the media's constant negative betrayal affected Amy's view of herself as well.
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Re: Amy Winehouse found found dead in flat

So sad for the ones surrounding her not to be able to do anything to save her from this 'expected' final.

Amy RIP
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Re: Amy Winehouse found found dead in flat

I fully agree. This is a shame. I hope her soul rests in peace now.
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Old 24.07.2011, 15:15
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The thing I keep hearing is that she wasn't a good role model - I'm so upset about the Norweigan tradgedy... Like Peterg said up there, it's not a bloody competition. I'm sad about Amy's death, but it doesn't make me not care about the people who live their lives in fear everyday; people who are tortured; people murdered. Surely we don't have to have a limited amount of empathy. Or do we? Is that what the media tell you!?

Firstly, I don't believe Amy wanted to be a role model. It's this b*llsh*t popculture that wants to make everyone role models. Noone is perfect and why should they have to try to be just because they're famous? She did what she wanted. Drug addiction is a different story. To quote Lily Allen... 'everyone's at it'. You think the damned politicians don't smoke, drink and a take a little something else from time to time...?!

If someone wants to take her as a role model - great - she went off to find a band to play music and sing - that's awesome, for me that's a better 'role model' than a guy who just did as his parents wanted - to be a banker or a farmer or whatever to please people...

As for people who think someone deserves to die because they take drugs... just think about it a minute... does it really make someone so bad....?
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Re: Amy Winehouse found found dead in flat

Some have such beautiful amazing talent and yet are so fragile.

I too really wanted to see her at Paléo. Her sensitive, very emotionally raw, soul music, was just superb.
A refreshing change from so much commercial music.
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Re: Amy Winehouse found found dead in flat

Sorry, she wasn't a good role model.
(At least, I'm glad that my daughter didn't see her in this way.)

She was sad, fragile and used, though. That is tragic.

And as for a 'pissing contest' between the tragedies of this weekend, I think Kittster didn't mean it quite like that. Perhaps like me, she was shocked to see so many posters going over the top for a celebrity they didn't know.

I have to admit, I felt more shock and horror at what happened in Norway, because of the unexpectedness, youth and great numbers involved.
This is only my opinion.
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I think that you are taking an overly simplistic view here. Whilst agreeing that Amy made a personal choice to take drugs for the first time, she was clearly a very sensitive, delicate soul, who very quickly succumbed to addiction.

If blame were to be apportioned, it should go to those who introduced her to drugs in the first place. When you are young, and especially in the environment in which she found herself, it is incredibly easy to get embroiled in the 'glamour, fun and intimacy' of drug-taking. I, of course, know that drug-taking is none of these things, but to too many young and impressionable people this is how it appears.

And I too am speaking from experience. Whilst living in Chelsea many years ago, parties and socials that did not involve exposure to, and in some cases the excessive use of, drugs were by far the exception.
From what I've heard, I think that a lot of these record companies actually help provide artists with their favourite vices.
I wonder if the British police actually try to pursue the suppliers / dealers in these sad cases or if it's low priority.

Did anyone see this story of a mother who was succesfully prosecuted to a prison sentence after she tied up her daughter so that she couldn't go out to buy more herion. Only after the mother was found guilty, the daughter had cleaned herself up and regretted her decision to report her mother to the police.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-13220807

Amy's father Mitch tried unsuccessfully to get his own daughter sectioned.

What would you do if it was your kid? Tough love or let them destroy themselves and break your heart in the harshest manner?
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Re: Amy Winehouse found found dead in flat

She was an artist, not a role model. We have this culture of where performers, etc become role models and I think it's just inappropriate. And when an artist is doing well, and people rely on her for their liveihoods, then that artist gets access to all sorts of things - things that might not be in her best interest.

Still, it's a a combination of circumstances. Access to drugs, availability, a culture where it's commonplace, even thought to enhance performacnce - and that last part is true too... it must be exhausting to perform and people to use various substances to keep going.

At one point or another, she probably did make a choice to drink, take drugs, etc, but these aren't even conscious sometimes. The problem is that for some people, once you start, it's really hard to stop, and depending on who's around you --- help is not always forthcoming.

But it's sad. It's a waste.
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Re: Amy Winehouse found found dead in flat

My role models where Morrison, Cobain, Hendrix, Planet, Gilmour and Joplin.....and i never objected them taking drugs, i actually respected them for standing up their choices, being totally against corrupt politics, governments and unjusticeness regardless of all the world being against them and the media screwing them up on daily basis....Amy is defo on my top list of the most respected artists who believed in what they do and never cared of money nor fame.
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I absolutely understand addiction, having buried friends and family because of it, I've seen the lying , the stubbornness, the deceit, the selfishness that goes with it. Nobody forces you to start drinking too much or to take drugs, that part you decide for yourself and with all the information and many sad examples of where it leads to available, the only right choice is to say no.
I am not so sure about that.

A lot of drug and alcohol addicts suffer from mental disorders, and for this reason their ability to make decisions is severly impaired.
The substance abuse itself is self medication.

My sis has worked for many years with addicts, and further to her, most of them if they receive the right medication/therapy for eg. schizophrenia, which is prevalent among drug addicts, they will eventually be able to make decisions, and most will choose to go off the (illegal) drugs.
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Re: Amy Winehouse found found dead in flat

Then why doesn't everyone with severe psychological problems / disorders turn to drugs? Why do those people manage to say "ok, if I take drugs/drink, it will only make a bad situation even worse"? You don't get applause for NOT messing up despite having had a dreadful time of it and those who go mad are excused because, well, they are poor tortured souls.

Nobody deserves to die for an addiction, but it is a fact that you cannot expect to live if you consistently make choices that are destructive.
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And as for a 'pissing contest' between the tragedies of this weekend, I think Kittster didn't mean it quite like that. Perhaps like me, she was shocked to see so many posters going over the top for a celebrity they didn't know.
So if she died in a few weeks time it would have been ok for the over the top posts? Remember Assassins thread about online grieving? people felt a connection with an artist who's career they have followed therefore feel sad at the news - but of course Amy died at the wrong time for those people to be able to voice their sadness without being deemed insensitive to the Norway tragedy.

This forum is taking a strange turn of late
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This forum is taking a strange turn of late
It's always been twisted....there's humans and there's different type of humans......same old story and no one can change it.
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A lot of drug and alcohol addicts suffer from mental disorders, and for this reason their ability to make decisions is severly impaired.
The substance abuse itself is self medication.
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Then why doesn't everyone with severe psychological problems / disorders turn to drugs?
Those who don't self medicate with substance abuse may show their impaired ability to make decisions in other forms?

Drug and alcohol addiction is not the only form of distructive behaviour.

An impaired judgment of a mentally ill person can manifest itself in violence, high promiscuity, gambling, food addiction etc. etc.
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So if she died in a few weeks time it would have been ok for the over the top posts? Remember Assassins thread about online grieving? people felt a connection with an artist who's career they have followed therefore feel sad at the news - but of course Amy died at the wrong time for those people to be able to voice their sadness without being deemed insensitive to the Norway tragedy.

This forum is taking a strange turn of late
Not really, Nicky, (in answer to the first part of your post) - I remember Assassin's thread and I think he wanted to discuss precisely that. My own personal opinion is that some celebrity grieving is over the top, at whatever time. As I said, it is my opinion.

And in answer to the second part of the post - definitely.
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The media may be jumping the gun assuming that overdose was the d=cause of death. This is so morbid to say but there was hardly anything of her on the stretcher. Perhaps it was a broken heart?
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The media may be jumping the gun assuming that overdose was the d=cause of death. This is so morbid to say but there was hardly anything of her on the stretcher. Perhaps it was a broken heart?
That has been suggested. Indeed, I would imagine that it was her broken heart that pushed her over the edge, sadly.
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Re: Amy Winehouse found found dead in flat

We as human got so many privileges gifted from god to differentiate us from wild animals such as logic, emotions, forgiveness and sympathy....though most of us goto Uni's, get higher eduction and have great jobs but still fail to use any of theses gifts bringing us to square one......natively cruel wild animals who won't care more or less for other fellow humans......bring on the groans
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