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Old 28.07.2011, 13:59
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Why are they in Afghanistan then?
The Afghans? They live there!
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Old 28.07.2011, 14:09
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Unfortunately, a "Blitzkrieg" only works on paper. Which, among a lot of other reasons and political considerations, might be the reason Germany didn't join.
One of the things Mrs. Merkel actually got right, IMO.
Furthermore, the Lebensraum in Libya is a bit hot and sandy and the Vodka isn't as good as in Stalingrad.

And Mrs Merkel didn't sign that piece of paper.

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Old 28.07.2011, 14:47
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I see "having only a bit of knowledge about the Libyan situation" does not prevent you posting extensively on this topic that you say you know little about.

Asking "What is it exactly that the "rebels" want?" in an English forum based in Switzerland is an improbable way to improve your knowledge?
You're right, I'd better buy some books on this subject if I would want better insights. The hostility and battering on this forum are not really helpful. It's just that I was forwarded the link to the GMMR video, and I was impressed and regarding the sabotage of this project a waste... There are undoubtedly very good reasons for this, of which I know practically nothing, but expecting some constructive exchange of thoughts here was clearly a mistake
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Old 28.07.2011, 15:07
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You're right, I'd better buy some books on this subject if I would want better insights. The hostility and battering on this forum are not really helpful. It's just that I was forwarded the link to the GMMR video, and I was impressed and regarding the sabotage of this project a waste... There are undoubtedly very good reasons for this, of which I know practically nothing, but expecting some constructive exchange of thoughts here was clearly a mistake
You think you can buy books on "what the rebels want?"

BTW, the NATO statement is
"Alliance military spokesman Colonel Roland Lavoie said in Brussels that in recent days Nato had hit a concrete factory near Brega where regime forces were hiding and firing multi-barrel rocket launchers"

Every story has at least 2 sides......
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Why are they in Afghanistan then?
First come, fist served.
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Germany has one of the least effective armies in the world.
We have very few forces left that can actually go to war.
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Old 28.07.2011, 15:51
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BTW, the NATO statement is
"Alliance military spokesman Colonel Roland Lavoie said in Brussels that in recent days Nato had hit a concrete factory near Brega where regime forces were hiding and firing multi-barrel rocket launchers"

Every story has at least 2 sides......
Thanks for this constructive contribution! Indeed, there must be more than 2 sides to this story. So I'll probably better crawl back under my rock
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Old 28.07.2011, 15:53
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First come, fist served.
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Germany has one of the least effective armies in the world.
We have very few forces left that can actually go to war.
Well that didn't answer that question, nor any of my others.
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Old 28.07.2011, 16:10
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Thanks for this constructive contribution! Indeed, there must be more than 2 sides to this story. So I'll probably better crawl back under my rock
What struck me as odd.
Gadaffi has a number of Western journalists in a hotel in Tripoli & they get bussed out to see & report on incidents of "NATO violence".

I wonder why they have not been sent to these places - seems like a golden publicity opportunity for Gadaffi if it really happened as was described.

I did some Googling

The man made river project is a huge network covering most of the country & taking water from hundreds of wells with a lot of built in redundancy.
I do not see one place where you could bomb it to stop the water flow; you would really have to bomb a lot of different areas to do that.

I also found a NATO release back in April where they said gadaffi was hiding military stuff in the irrigation tunnels - they are pretty big; over 4 metres high.

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Old 29.07.2011, 01:32
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It's a strange thing that democracy (especially the American model) has been declared as being the holy ideal to strive for. I have never worked or lived in Libya, but I have the impression that the Libyan people are generally not too unhappy with Ghadafi.
Let's be realistic. Khaddafi for many years, even decades, brought progress to his country which was a backwater for ages. He simply did not realize that he, just like Messrs Mubarak and BenAli, moved his people forward to a point where they no longer accepted his authoritarian methods. As different as the three chaps are, they were the ones who moved their countries ahead to the point where those leaders were perceived as too authoritarian. All three at their starts were modern and alternative but while aging became stubborn and, in case of Mubarak, senile.

Neither of them unfortunately had the insight of US president Calvin Cooledge who when refusing to stand for office again, replied "I know when I have to go".

Just over to Egypt. Sadat, just a year before he got assassinated, decided to leave the presidency. Sure, his bad health was the prime reason.

Just to recall the slogan of German Federal Chancellor Willy Brandt "Lasst uns mehr Demokratie wagen" = Let's risk more democracy . Brandt very clearly realized that more democracy to any office holder in politics meant risks.
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Old 29.07.2011, 08:37
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You're right, I'd better buy some books on this subject if I would want better insights. The hostility and battering on this forum are not really helpful. It's just that I was forwarded the link to the GMMR video, and I was impressed and regarding the sabotage of this project a waste... There are undoubtedly very good reasons for this, of which I know practically nothing, but expecting some constructive exchange of thoughts here was clearly a mistake

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