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Old 27.07.2011, 22:03
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Great Man Made River Libya

For those of you managing a bit of German: Great Man Made River Libya http://owl.li/5OQdb | Very impressive!! (But NATO is bombing it.)
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Re: Great Man Made River Libya

AFAIK (don't have time to watch the video) it's fossil water.
Back from the time when Africa had more rain and forests etc.
Once it's used up, there's nothing left and nothing coming forward until the next ice-age.

We're so spoiled here in northern Europe with water....
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Old 27.07.2011, 22:52
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AFAIK (don't have time to watch the video) it's fossil water.
Back from the time when Africa had more rain and forests etc.
Once it's used up, there's nothing left and nothing coming forward until the next ice-age.

We're so spoiled here in northern Europe with water....

Correct, it is fossil aquifer. It was discovered by accident when searching for oil. According to this Wiki article though, at teh 2007 rate of usage it should last around 1,000 years. There is a lot of water there, relict of the last ice age apparently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Manmade_River
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I ran across an article on http://www.boublog.nl/27/07/2011/lib...e-nato-bommen/ A summarized translation:
"When His Majesty King Idris I was dethroned in 1969, without any bloodshed, by the blood thirsty Colonel Ghaddafi, approximately 90% of the Libyan people was illiterate. After 40 years reign of the cruel dictator Ghaddafi, this was brought down to 10%. Also, medical care and housing had become available for the whole population.

Especially in Africa, water is a precious commodity. How much profit might be made from this? And this madman Ghadafi just gave this pure drinking water away! The UN, however, has prevented that from happening. This water project has been functioning on half capacity since recently, because the import of spare parts is part of the economic sanctions dictated by the UN. But even on half capacity Ghadafi still donated water to Libya.

To protect the Libyan people against the terror of this cruel mass murderer Ghadafi, Nato bombed the Libyan water project on July 22nd, 2011. And to prevent this despotic megalomaniac from repairing the water supply, NATO also destroyed the piping factory in Brega."
To me, this was unknown until someone showed me this link today.

Instead of assisting the African continent to develop methods to secure water supply and thus fight hunger and decrease their dependency, we (NATO) sabotage the development in the name of politics.

I realise that having only a bit of knowledge can blur a full understanding of the complete situation, but I find this astonishing...
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I ran across an article on http://www.boublog.nl/27/07/2011/lib...e-nato-bommen/ A summarized translation:
"When His Majesty King Idris I was dethroned in 1969, without any bloodshed, by the blood thirsty Colonel Ghaddafi, approximately 90% of the Libyan people was illiterate. After 40 years reign of the cruel dictator Ghaddafi, this was brought down to 10%. Also, medical care and housing had become available for the whole population.

Especially in Africa, water is a precious commodity. How much profit might be made from this? And this madman Ghadafi just gave this pure drinking water away! The UN, however, has prevented that from happening. This water project has been functioning on half capacity since recently, because the import of spare parts is part of the economic sanctions dictated by the UN. But even on half capacity Ghadafi still donated water to Libya.

To protect the Libyan people against the terror of this cruel mass murderer Ghadafi, Nato bombed the Libyan water project on July 22nd, 2011. And to prevent this despotic megalomaniac from repairing the water supply, NATO also destroyed the piping factory in Brega."
To me, this was unknown until someone showed me this link today.

Instead of assisting the African continent to develop methods to secure water supply and thus fight hunger and decrease their dependency, we (NATO) sabotage the development in the name of politics.

I realise that having only a bit of knowledge can blur a full understanding of the complete situation, but I find this astonishing...
I do not quite get it. WHAT is astonishing
- that Khaddafi eradicated illiteracy ?
- that K. made healthcare a general standard ?
- that K. gave equal rights to women ?
- that K. achieved Libyans to have
---- the highest living standard on the continent ?
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Instead of assisting the African continent to develop methods to secure water supply and thus fight hunger and decrease their dependency, we (NATO) sabotage the development in the name of politics.

Yeah, that really came as a surprise: a war that does not help the civilians.
I'm sorry, I'm a real cynic - but I have to ask: which rock did you live under until now?

Most of the stuff was built by experts and companies from Europe, China etc.
The more gets destroyed, the bigger the rebuild-business will be! It's really a win-win situation....
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Yeah, that really came as a surprise: a war that does not help the civilians.
I'm sorry, I'm a real cynic - but I have to ask: which rock did you live under until now?

Most of the stuff was built by experts and companies from Europe, China etc.
The more gets destroyed, the bigger the rebuild-business will be! It's really a win-win situation....
Win-win? Who is the other winner, beside the foreigners who will make money by rebuilding/ getting oil etc ? Certainly not the people of Libya, who would have been far better off if the foreign warlords had kept out of the situation instead of causing it to escalate from a civil disturbance to war level. (see my other comments on earlier threads.) I enjoyed living in Libya.
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Win-win? Who is the other winner,
The western politicians who started this war. Needlessly. As if a couple more years of Gaddafi would have hurt. He's been there for over 40 years.
They can claim to be fighting to bring democracy to a formerly totalitarian state and present themselves as "strong leaders".

I hope you did realize that I was sarcastic in my previous reply.
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The western politicians who started this war. Needlessly. As if a couple more years of Gaddafi would have hurt. He's been there for over 40 years.
They can claim to be fighting to bring democracy to a formerly totalitarian state and present themselves as "strong leaders".
It's a strange thing that democracy (especially the American model) has been declared as being the holy ideal to strive for. I have never worked or lived in Libya, but I have the impression that the Libyan people are generally not too unhappy with Ghadafi.
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For those of you managing a bit of German: Great Man Made River Libya http://owl.li/5OQdb | Very impressive!! (But NATO is bombing it.)
It looks interesting - but the channel of the Youtube user who uploaded the video is even more interesting...
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Old 28.07.2011, 12:21
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It's a strange thing that democracy (especially the American model) has been declared as being the holy ideal to strive for. I have never worked or lived in Libya, but I have the impression that the Libyan people are generally not too unhappy with Ghadafi.
Which is presumably why they started a popular uprising and were brutally beaten down by Ghaddafi's forces.
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I must admit that I did not check the upload channel. Could do that later. Anything you would like to share in advance, DB?
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I must admit that I did not check the upload channel. Could do that later. Anything you would like to share in advance, DB?
I wouldn't like to spoil the delight of discovery.
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Which is presumably why they started a popular uprising and were brutally beaten down by Ghaddafi's forces.
Touché... As I wrote earlier, having only a bit of knowledge about the Libyan situation prevents me to fully appreciate the pros and cons. What is it exactly that the "rebels" want?
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It's a strange thing that democracy (especially the American model) has been declared as being the holy ideal to strive for. I have never worked or lived in Libya, but I have the impression that the Libyan people are generally not too unhappy with Ghadafi.
Who, exactly, has declared this? Do you have a particularly ill feeling about democracy (strange for someone living in Switzerland)? Is empowering the citizenry to have more say in what their government does not a worthy goal? Is there an alternative that has proven more successful in attaining that goal?
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Which is presumably why they started a popular uprising and were brutally beaten down by Ghaddafi's forces.
Yes, but this happens basically every day somewhere on the African continent. Nobody cares.

The truth is: US and Europe had some unfinished business with Gaddafi and believed they could finally get rid of him and bring the people of Libya a better government at the same time.

Unfortunately, a "Blitzkrieg" only works on paper. Which, among a lot of other reasons and political considerations, might be the reason Germany didn't join.
One of the things Mrs. Merkel actually got right, IMO.
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Yes, but this happens basically every day somewhere on the African continent. Nobody cares.
It does? Was there one last Tuesday?
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Unfortunately, a "Blitzkrieg" only works on paper. Which, among a lot of other reasons and political considerations, might be the reason Germany didn't join.
One of the things Mrs. Merkel actually got right, IMO.
Why are they in Afghanistan then?
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Why are they in Afghanistan then?
Heinrich Harrer and bad maps have a lot to answer for...
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Touché... As I wrote earlier, having only a bit of knowledge about the Libyan situation prevents me to fully appreciate the pros and cons. What is it exactly that the "rebels" want?
I see "having only a bit of knowledge about the Libyan situation" does not prevent you posting extensively on this topic that you say you know little about.

Asking "What is it exactly that the "rebels" want?" in an English forum based in Switzerland is an improbable way to improve your knowledge?
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