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Old 29.07.2011, 15:56
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Re: trouble brewing

There are many areas with just as big problems and the pressure in the world situation is pretty high at the moment. Saying that, we are more capable of dealing with these problems as a species than we have ever been before. I don't think we can make too many predictions at this stage though.
Countries are going to naturally protect thier resources when too many people want to flock to those places. It is a perfectly natural (if not always nice) thing to do.
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Old 29.07.2011, 15:57
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Sometimes I have to tell my students this, but it's worth repeating here. Just 'cause you use tiny type, it doesn't mean that what you just wrote isn't way too ridiculously long. Apply the same logic to large type...

Geez, and there should be a world wide prohibition on the use of the word "Lebensraum".....too associated with the you know what.

Also don't get why Muslims always get associated with the term "tribal"--seems sort of colonial.
Honest I thought I had used the normal typ size.
Lebensraum can be associated with you know who, but taken into context it means that you get a group of people leaving their own homelands for whatever reason and moving into somebody elses territory and either by force or by changing the demographics make that area their own.
Muslim in this case is a fiction of the mainstream press, as I had hoped to convey, it is irrevelent that they pray to Allah or the FSM, it is a tribal thing, as another poster disagrees, at the same time he makes my point, tribal is not just a thing of fatherīs fatherīs father. but as he states. "here gun (or water, or food, or woman)" follow me.
That you could say is a new form of tribalism, but the mechanics are the same.
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Old 29.07.2011, 16:04
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Lebensraum can be associated with you know who, but taken into context it means that you get a group of people leaving their own homelands for whatever reason and moving into somebody elses territory and either by force or by changing the demographics make that area their own.
But isn't this just a description of the history of the world?

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Muslim in this case is a fiction of the mainstream press, as I had hoped to convey, it is irrevelent that they pray to Allah or the FSM, it is a tribal thing, as another poster disagrees, at the same time he makes my point, tribal is not just a thing of fatherīs fatherīs father. but as he states. "here gun (or water, or food, or woman)" follow me.
That you could say is a new form of tribalism, but the mechanics are the same.
This makes little sense to me. What explanatory power does the word "tribal" have here?
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Old 29.07.2011, 16:35
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But isn't this just a description of the history of the world?

This makes little sense to me. What explanatory power does the word "tribal" have here?
Yup! And the cause of most of mankinds troubles, and it is not to belittled by the Prefix "just."
If we look around the political landscape you can see there is a sharp drift to the right, that tells me that even in our oh so civilised society we still are a tribal species, my tribe yeh! your tribe boo! the rest is cosmetics.
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Yup! And the cause of most of mankinds troubles, and it is not to belittled by the Prefix "just."
If we look around the political landscape you can see there is a sharp drift to the right, that tells me that even in our oh so civilised society we still are a tribal species, my tribe yeh! your tribe boo! the rest is cosmetics.
So, there's always trouble brewing, then.
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Old 29.07.2011, 16:45
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So, there's always trouble brewing, then.
The way of the world dear boy!
Pity realy I would think that after all mankind has gone through we would have been able to change and as a species we had real greatness, seems we are just a bunch of monkeys with typewriters afterall.
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Old 29.07.2011, 16:53
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Yup! And the cause of most of mankinds troubles, and it is not to belittled by the Prefix "just."
If we look around the political landscape you can see there is a sharp drift to the right, that tells me that even in our oh so civilised society we still are a tribal species, my tribe yeh! your tribe boo! the rest is cosmetics.
Well, objectively, and forgetting about that Austrian chap for now, "Lebensraum" just means every tribe or nation needs a place (as in some some land) on which to live. In a more modern sense and taking into account multicultural societies, the concept of tribe or nation is opened up to mean a bunch of people who share roughly compatible values so they can get on with one another in peace, abide by the same laws etc. When that breaks down, war is likely. Take Libya as exhibit A. For decades everybody thought the the crazy old colonel was okay, or if they didn't they thought he was sufficiently tolerable that they would put up with him. That's why there was peace. Then the point was reached that a lot of people decided that their values and aspirations had become incompatible with his and therefore he had to go, or they wanted to take the land or space from him to rebuld it after their own fashion. That is, they felt they had more right to call the shots than he did. Ultimately "lebensraum" is the question of which culture or set of values should be predominant, meaning those that disagree or don't fit should leave or adapt.

There can only be one single global lebensraum when the population of the entire planet share values to the point that that is possible.
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Old 29.07.2011, 17:07
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Well, objectively, and forgetting about that Austrian chap for now, "Lebensraum" just means every tribe or nation needs a place (as in some some land) on which to live. In a more modern sense and taking into account multicultural societies, the concept of tribe or nation is opened up to mean a bunch of people who share roughly compatible values so they can get on with one another in peace, abide by the same laws etc. When that breaks down, war is likely. Take Libya as exhibit A. For decades everybody thought the the crazy old colonel was okay, or if they didn't they thought he was sufficiently tolerable that they would put up with him. That's why there was peace. Then the point was reached that a lot of people decided that their values and aspirations had become incompatible with his and therefore he had to go, or they wanted to take the land or space from him to rebuld it after their own fashion. That is, they felt they had more right to call the shots than he did. Ultimately "lebensraum" is the question of which culture or set of values should be predominant, meaning those that disagree or don't fit should leave or adapt.

There can only be one single global lebensraum when the population of the entire planet share values to the point that that is possible.
That would be true if we lived in a perfect Kumbayah sort of world, trouble is that is not the case on this rock, also would we want to live in a (here is another nice German word) Gleichgeschaltete society
(Why is it that German has so many words that discribe this kind of meaning perfectly?) and who gets to say what those values are?

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Old 29.07.2011, 17:39
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seems we are just a bunch of monkeys with typewriters afterall.
Ooook!!!
Not really dude, we built the typewriters, then we connected them all up together and now we are teaching them to think. Soon the typewriters will take over and we can go back to our bananas in the trees and on the beaches.
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Old 29.07.2011, 18:26
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Ooook!!!
Not really dude, we built the typewriters, then we connected them all up together and now we are teaching them to think. Soon the typewriters will take over and we can go back to our bananas in the trees and on the beaches.
Amen to that bro!
What irony though that our goal is to go back into the trees where we started out.
What was the saying? "Want to go back to nature but not on foot"
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Old 29.07.2011, 22:34
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Don't make the mistake of confusing Libertarians with Rednecks from the Blue states who vote Republican/Tea Party. If given the choice, I'd take the Libertarians over the nutso right-wingers of the Republican party any day of the week.

A lot of the Libertarians I've known (it seems very popular with IT guys and NH was supposed to become Libertarian paradise until they realized New Englanders were unfriendly regardless of political persuasion ) have been well-educated white middle-class guys in their salad days who haven't ever known hardship or only think they have.

The only reason they wouldn't go to Somalia is that there's nothing there to save and, more importantly, no Holiday Inn with room service.
Americans come in different flavors? We are not used to so much variety over here...
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What irony though that our goal is to go back into the trees where we started out.
I think leaving the ocean in the first place may have been a mistake.
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