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Old 29.07.2011, 12:55
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trouble brewing

Ah it´s that time of the year again, Russia burns, we drown in rain and the Horn of Africa is in yet another humanitarian crisis.
Pictures of starving children hit the mainstream press and everybody reading the morning paper, slurping their Latte and munching on a Croissant goes “Awwww poor things.”
In the news you see an Airbus packed with 14 tonnes of humanitarian aid, especially food for thousands of babies for a month. We hear stories of Muslim extremists stopping food convoys and executing farmers who refuse to hand over the last of the cattle. Jeez them buggers must be busy with all them hangings and shootings in all that heat.
However I don´t think we should place this on the Muslim doorstep, it´s a tribal thing , pure brutal “my tribe YEHHH! Your tribe BOOO!”
The tribe with access to water, weapons, food and woman are de-facto the ruling tribe and they see it as their right to subdue all lesser tribes and force them to pay tribute or drive them out either through starvation or by killing them outright. Because the resources are so limited there is no other way.
Aid agencies would undermine the authority of your tribe and any foodstuff would be to the advantage of those you want to get rid of so you will do your damndest to keep the agencies out, this is what we are seeing.
At the same time the horn of Africa gets hotter and dryer as desertification sets in and half of the continent gets less willing to support human life.
Soon, very soon the area will be uninhabitable and we will see a Diaspora not seen since the end of the Roman Empire, however in Africa where people are not as civil as say the Vandals, Huns and Visigoths, you will get the most brutal form of genocide as tribes fleeing from the alpha tribes look for a home in the tribal area of somebody else.
The damage has been done, the land is dead and there is nothing more to be done there, force feeding the population will only prolong the suffering, the tragic outcome is already fixed. In a sensible world a united human race should use force to evacuate that part of the planet, of course in the name of humanity and under the flag of the League of Nations.
But that would be social Darwinism in its purest form and I do not think a crowded world would take kindly to a substantial portion of the planets inhabitants searching for new Lebensraum.
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Re: trouble brewing

I don't wear glasses, so I'm unable to read this post.
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Old 29.07.2011, 12:59
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Africans are expendable.

Didn't you know?
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Old 29.07.2011, 13:02
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not even rose-tinted ones?
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Old 29.07.2011, 13:03
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Sadly that is not too far from the truth.
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Old 29.07.2011, 13:50
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Re: trouble brewing

It will be all over soon and we will have destroyed the planet and killed everyone and everything. But I'm sure the last few generations have thought the same thing...
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Old 29.07.2011, 15:13
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Copy paste does that...
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Old 29.07.2011, 15:32
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Re: trouble brewing

I actually disagree - Somalia is for once a conflict in Africa where religion is not a placeholder for tribe.

Somalia is for some 20 years or so in a state worse than civil war - the lack of anything and any form of civil society is worse than pretty much anywhere else. Even tribal law doesn't function anymore with too many "elders" been killed or run away. The country is run on the one side by a "government" that is as corrupt as it gets but most parts are factually under control of a radical militia. They happen to be Muslim extremists, but actually does it not really matter - they are young, violent males that never had a chance to lead a normal life - there is no education system, let alone jobs, most will have lost big parts of their families... and then comes somebody along and says "do you see this nice gun? Want one? Want to be somebody? Join us..." Works in all poor countries where kids are so desperate that they do not know where to get their next dinner from.
While the bosses might make some very decent money out of it do I very much doubt that too many people really want to become a pirate by choice...
Just like Marxist or other radical militias on this planet do they not really provide a plan for a better life - only their leaders do well. Them terrorizing their country is bad enough, but now it's really cynical having some "spokesperson" of Al-Shabab in the media saying "we don't have a food shortage, we only have a rain shortage"...

A year or so ago did the German Stern magazine have an interesting article on "Somaliland" - an de-facto independant country which is internationally for some reasons that remain a mystery not accepted by anyone: The province declared independence in 1991 and since then stabilized and build up their country - no Muslim extremists manage to terrorize anyone there - if the kids have enough to eat and did not lose their parents they don't really feel to join them.
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I wonder why all our American libertarian friends don't move to Somalia...?
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- lack of religious freedom
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The Americans have watched too many Pirates of the Caribbean films. When they hear of Somali Pirates they get scared at the thought of Cptn Jack Sparrow looking for them.
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Re: trouble brewing

But there is no brown sugar in Switzerland!
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But there is no brown sugar in Switzerland!
Sad but true Simon... Molasses as well

Most of us can no longer make our own BBQ sauce or flavor our Oatmeal to perfection. The culinary Gods of Switzerland are torturing us for some un-disclosed sin of our fore-fathers.
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But there is no brown sugar in Switzerland!
Why would you use brown sugar for brewing?
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ethanol, duh
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Hammer on the nail
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- lack of NASCAR
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Don't make the mistake of confusing Libertarians with Rednecks from the Blue states who vote Republican/Tea Party. If given the choice, I'd take the Libertarians over the nutso right-wingers of the Republican party any day of the week.

A lot of the Libertarians I've known (it seems very popular with IT guys and NH was supposed to become Libertarian paradise until they realized New Englanders were unfriendly regardless of political persuasion ) have been well-educated white middle-class guys in their salad days who haven't ever known hardship or only think they have.

The only reason they wouldn't go to Somalia is that there's nothing there to save and, more importantly, no Holiday Inn with room service.
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Ah it´s that time of the year again, Russia burns, we drown in rain and the Horn of Africa is in yet another humanitarian crisis.
Pictures of starving children hit the mainstream press and everybody reading the morning paper, slurping their Latte and munching on a Croissant goes “Awwww poor things.”
In the news you see an Airbus packed with 14 tonnes of humanitarian aid, especially food for thousands of babies for a month. We hear stories of Muslim extremists stopping food convoys and executing farmers who refuse to hand over the last of the cattle. Jeez them buggers must be busy with all them hangings and shootings in all that heat.
However I don´t think we should place this on the Muslim doorstep, it´s a tribal thing , pure brutal “my tribe YEHHH! Your tribe BOOO!”
The tribe with access to water, weapons, food and woman are de-facto the ruling tribe and they see it as their right to subdue all lesser tribes and force them to pay tribute or drive them out either through starvation or by killing them outright. Because the resources are so limited there is no other way.
Aid agencies would undermine the authority of your tribe and any foodstuff would be to the advantage of those you want to get rid of so you will do your damndest to keep the agencies out, this is what we are seeing.
At the same time the horn of Africa gets hotter and dryer as desertification sets in and half of the continent gets less willing to support human life.
Soon, very soon the area will be uninhabitable and we will see a Diaspora not seen since the end of the Roman Empire, however in Africa where people are not as civil as say the Vandals, Huns and Visigoths, you will get the most brutal form of genocide as tribes fleeing from the alpha tribes look for a home in the tribal area of somebody else.
The damage has been done, the land is dead and there is nothing more to be done there, force feeding the population will only prolong the suffering, the tragic outcome is already fixed. In a sensible world a united human race should use force to evacuate that part of the planet, of course in the name of humanity and under the flag of the League of Nations.
But that would be social Darwinism in its purest form and I do not think a crowded world would take kindly to a substantial portion of the planets inhabitants searching for new Lebensraum.
Just 'cause you use tiny type, it doesn't mean that what you just wrote isn't way too ridiculously long. Apply the same logic to large type...

Geez, and there should be a world-wide prohibition on the use of the word "Lebensraum".....too associated with the you know what.

Also don't get why Muslims always get associated with the term "tribal"--seems sort of colonial.
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Sad but true Simon... Molasses as well

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Since you mentioned Oatmeal and in order to stay on topic:
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