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Guest 06.08.2011 11:58

Re: What to do so people stop hating the UK?
 
'Castro' for PM now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Castro (Post 1290272)
Re-nationalise the railways
Confiscate passports from Brits who behave badly abroad
Bring back prison chain gangs and hard labour
1 year National Service (military or social work)
Massive tax breaks for manufacturing industries
Regulate the rental housing market
Escalating tax rates for multiple property ownership
Abolish Mickey Mouse University degrees and make apprenticeships more attractive
Make politicians criminally culpable for wasting public money (e.g. £1billion spent on an obsolete IT system :mad:)
Ban 600% APR loan sharks
Ban no-win-no-fee ambulance chasers
Introduce a junk food tax but gym membership subsidies

When do I start?


AbFab 06.08.2011 12:57

Re: What to do so people stop hating the UK?
 
Britain has to realise the empire is gone, the EU is on a corrupt hiding to nowhere, her manufacturing-base is all but gone. Post-industrial Britain needs to rethink everything. Here's a few suggestions:

- leave the EU
- dismantle the National Health Service and the nanny state make people responsible for their own welfare, rather than the government.
- dismantle the armed forces
- abandon the treadmill of economic growth v. inflation and return to a self-sufficient lifestyle where people grow vegetables instead of lawns
- nationalise the banking system with a non-profit constitution people's bank
- make house speculation subject to swinging capital gains tax
- likewise the stock exchange should be made so that shares can only be sold after they have been held for 5 years

I feel that this is what is going to happen anyway over the next 25 years...

07.08.2011 01:36

Re: What to do so people stop hating the UK?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AbFab (Post 1290508)
Britain has to realise the empire is gone, the EU is on a corrupt hiding to nowhere, her manufacturing-base is all but gone. Post-industrial Britain needs to rethink everything. Here's a few suggestions:

- leave the EU
- dismantle the National Health Service and the nanny state make people responsible for their own welfare, rather than the government.
- dismantle the armed forces
- abandon the treadmill of economic growth v. inflation and return to a self-sufficient lifestyle where people grow vegetables instead of lawns
- nationalise the banking system with a non-profit constitution people's bank
- make house speculation subject to swinging capital gains tax
- likewise the stock exchange should be made so that shares can only be sold after they have been held for 5 years

I feel that this is what is going to happen anyway over the next 25 years...

I think you will achieve a Cuba with Chavs! Abolishing greed would be a good start.

07.08.2011 03:49

Re: What to do so people stop hating the UK?
 
Quit paying out social security for the unemployed. Instead all able-bodied must commit to 40 hours a week as community employed a portion of which of which would include basic education and training in conjunction with the private industry. The work must be both physically and mentally challenging and include mentoring. There should also be a component to allow them to make use of any talent that they might have. e.g. performing arts, science, sports, engineering or literacy skills to provide free shows and services for the local community. The 'Community employed' are paid according to progress made. The time spent in community service must be split between city and country. There would also be a peace corps type commitment. The program would include women with young children, whose children will be cared for and educated in a local creche. All participants must vote in publicly held elections. the UK should adopt a two-child only policy.

Police should live in the communities that they police.

The program should be properly funded and participants treated with respect.

The NHS is for nationals only, those who do not produce a passport or health insurance for treatment should be held and forced to work until payment is made.
Massive input into community housing and planning.
Companies should be given tax incentives to train and employ.
Cigarettes-Alcohol and Petrol should be heavily taxed. Community workers will be provided with bicycles. Safe Playgrounds and parks should be within everyone's reach, these must be supervised and aesthetically pleasing.

Schools should teach basic life economics and politics,-life costs, wage slip, bank accounts, mortgage, investments, voting systems, etc.

Schooling should include participation in nature starting with nature walks and culminate in outward bound courses. School meals should be nutritional and free. Schooling should include the playing of a musical instrument.

All libraries should provide free internet access, and basic computer skills training.

Big brother/ sister and grandparent programs should be encouraged.

All university education should be free for all on the proviso that a percentage of that time is spent post study in volunteer activities donated towards educational institutions in mentoring, teaching or research. Any person accepting free education and leaving the country without repaying would be fined.

All produced through university research should be patented.

Banks should adopt Swiss banking rules.

Union membership should be independently monitored.

The House of Lords and royalty should be abolished.

The transport system should be nationalized and subsidized. A comprehensive bike path system built.

Jimmy Bee 07.08.2011 08:09

Re: What to do so people stop hating the UK?
 
I believe this thread is called "What to do so people stop hating the UK?" not "Lets take back the UK to the grand old 1950's/Young people are ruining my lawn" :msntongue:

KeinFranzösisch 07.08.2011 08:29

Re: What to do so people stop hating the UK?
 
I'm surprised nobody mentioned doing away with the monarchy...

Dack Rambo 07.08.2011 10:19

Re: What to do so people stop hating the UK?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hoppy (Post 1291228)
Quit paying out social security for the unemployed. Instead all able-bodied must commit to 40 hours a week as community employed a portion of which of which would include basic education and training in conjunction with the private industry.

state sponsored make work schemes? sounds like communism to me

Terry Concorde 07.08.2011 11:44

Re: What to do so people stop hating the UK?
 
Wow, I've never come across so much sub-Top Gear, reactionary bile as on this thread and the accompanying threads. If it's not suggesting that regulatory control of police power is "pc gone mad", then it's "humorous" quips about nuking Brixton, which I assume is a coded attack on multi-culturalism in the same vein as Disco Demolition Night. Why choose Brixton and not, for example, Hull or Slough or Kilmarnock? Does nobody remember the numerous miscarriages of justice and judicial corruption that led to the introduction of current policing practices?

Acute solipsism has thus far prevented an answer to the question. The question that has been attempted so far is, "What to do so UK expats that left because of litter/unfashionable tracksuits at bus stops/perceived too tightly regulated justice system stop hating the UK?" I would say that, statistically at least, most people that hate the UK do so because they are the innocent victim of some aspect of British foreign policy and/or business interests. Clearing that up will do more to reduce the number of UK haters than any number of attempts to reanimate Lord Denning.

btw A rather northern perspective but most people that live in the UK and profess to hate it would hate it less if the weather was better.

higgybaby 07.08.2011 13:29

Re: What to do so people stop hating the UK?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Assassin (Post 1289968)
The only thing I'd miss if England sank was the rock music scene and the Avro Vulcan.

Too late. dinosaur music's all but dead in the UK, thankfully.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11212418

07.08.2011 23:50

Re: What to do so people stop hating the UK?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KeinFranzösisch (Post 1291254)
I'm surprised nobody mentioned doing away with the monarchy...

I did- second line from the bottom. Attitudes have to change, those with jobs look down on the jobless and the jobless sometimes react by playing up to that image by saying if you can't beat the system then play it for all it's worth, when they get the chance. It is an increasingly divided society.- the 'have jobs' and the 'have no jobs'.
The jobless need to be respected by giving them jobs. To me it's an easy equation; there is so much that needs to be done in the UK and so many unemployed. The devil makes work for idle hands.

colinwheeler 08.08.2011 00:47

Re: What to do so people stop hating the UK?
 
Bring back:
- Respect
- Manners
Introduce
- Social Education
- Cultural Education (Note, these things do no occur in schools...lol.)
Get Rid of:
-Overweight government
-The ability to live on the dole when you are to lazy to work.
-The ability for your dole children to inherit your council house.
Reform
-Electoral system reform for a local community driven direct democracy
-The NHS for a better system
Things that stand in the way that I have no idea how to change:
-The idea that national infrstructure should be owned by private companies and allowed to profit off the citizens that paid for it to be established in the first place. Run it like a private company by all means, but the citizens should not allowed to be profited from and they must the shareholders.
-Corruption in government and corporates....a lot of which I believe comes from the above problem.
-Apathy amongst the masses.
-An education system that has as it's vision statement "To make good employees." Simply evil if you ask me.
-The idea that prohibition is better than education, or even that prohibition works in any way.
-Peter Mendelson:msntongue:

colinwheeler 08.08.2011 00:53

Re: What to do so people stop hating the UK?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hoppy (Post 1291228)
The House of Lords and royalty should be abolished.

So no system of checks and balances at all? I don't care what it is, as long as it is there and works....the current one could do with an overhaul or some balls but checks and balances are needed for this Utopian Big Brother style country that you are proposing.
Quote:

Originally Posted by hoppy (Post 1291228)
The transport system should be nationalized and subsidized. A comprehensive bike path system built.

The bike paths are getting much better and the transport system is already heavily subsidised.
The infrastructure has already been re-nationalised but to little or no effect because it is now run like a government department again rather than like the citizen's company.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ittigen (Post 1289841)
Britain needs one more law

And right off that breaks the whole thing....oh look the law that broke the nation's back. How some personal responsiblity, social and cultural understanding and education and a little bit of a community spirit would work better than having more laws.
Quote:

Originally Posted by AbFab (Post 1290508)
- nationalise the banking system with a non-profit constitution people's bank

Wow, I don't trust the governments with my money in the first place, now you want them to have complete control over it.....nope, sorry, no chance.

I am not sure about the stock market suggestion but........I don't know. Neutral so would not like too much interferance.

Otherwise, I am pretty much completely with you! Good ideas.

cannut 08.08.2011 01:08

Re: What to do so people stop hating the UK?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hoppy (Post 1291228)
Quit paying out social security for the unemployed. Instead all able-bodied must commit to 40 hours a week as community employed a portion of which of which would include basic education and training in conjunction with the private industry. The work must be both physically and mentally challenging and include mentoring. There should also be a component to allow them to make use of any talent that they might have. e.g. performing arts, science, sports, engineering or literacy skills to provide free shows and services for the local community. The 'Community employed' are paid according to progress made. The time spent in community service must be split between city and country. There would also be a peace corps type commitment. The program would include women with young children, whose children will be cared for and educated in a local creche. All participants must vote in publicly held elections. the UK should adopt a two-child only policy.

Police should live in the communities that they police.

The program should be properly funded and participants treated with respect.

The NHS is for nationals only, those who do not produce a passport or health insurance for treatment should be held and forced to work until payment is made.
Massive input into community housing and planning.
Companies should be given tax incentives to train and employ.
Cigarettes-Alcohol and Petrol should be heavily taxed. Community workers will be provided with bicycles. Safe Playgrounds and parks should be within everyone's reach, these must be supervised and aesthetically pleasing.

Schools should teach basic life economics and politics,-life costs, wage slip, bank accounts, mortgage, investments, voting systems, etc.

Schooling should include participation in nature starting with nature walks and culminate in outward bound courses. School meals should be nutritional and free. Schooling should include the playing of a musical instrument.

All libraries should provide free internet access, and basic computer skills training.

Big brother/ sister and grandparent programs should be encouraged.

All university education should be free for all on the proviso that a percentage of that time is spent post study in volunteer activities donated towards educational institutions in mentoring, teaching or research. Any person accepting free education and leaving the country without repaying would be fined.

All produced through university research should be patented.

Banks should adopt Swiss banking rules.

Union membership should be independently monitored.

The House of Lords and royalty should be abolished.

The transport system should be nationalized and subsidized. A comprehensive bike path system built.

Hoppy! do you have relatives in Germany ,a uncle named Adolph ? :rolleyes:

colinwheeler 08.08.2011 01:13

Re: What to do so people stop hating the UK?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cannut (Post 1292102)
Hoppy! do you have relatives in Germany ,a uncle named Adolph ? :rolleyes:

I think you will find he was Austrian though. :D

08.08.2011 01:45

Re: What to do so people stop hating the UK?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cannut (Post 1292102)
Hoppy! do you have relatives in Germany ,a uncle named Adolph ? :rolleyes:

I am a bit of a Tartar, see you thought I was perfect because I don't like to shop. All that glitters is not gold even if the packaging is good. Could you imagine being married to me or having me as a mother? DB and Shorrick do not answer this.
I was going to go further- have you seen the obesity figures in the UK? They should tax junk food more and subsidize fruit and veg.

And fine posers; they are ruining the pubs!

cannut 08.08.2011 01:55

Re: What to do so people stop hating the UK?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hoppy (Post 1292117)
I am a bit of a Tartar, see you thought I was perfect because I don't like to shop. All that glitters is not gold even if the packaging is good. Could you imagine being married to me or having me as a mother? DB and Shorrick do not answer this.
I was going to go further- have you seen the obesity figures in the UK? They should tax junk food more and subsidize fruit and veg.

And fine posers; they are ruining the pubs!

Send some pictures , and I will answer your question;)

phdoofus 08.08.2011 08:42

Re: What to do so people stop hating the UK?
 
Always go with the classics: Get them to hate some other country even more. :D

Louis Wu 08.08.2011 09:10

Re: What to do so people stop hating the UK?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by phdoofus (Post 1292183)
Always go with the classics: Get them to hate some other country even more. :D


Yep, we even have the 'enemy' bogey man all ready, it currently goes under the guise of "International Terrorism" and creates a perfect excuse for a more or less permanent state of war. George Orwell would be proud.

glinaa 08.08.2011 09:31

Re: What to do so people stop hating the UK?
 
I used to think Polish were the most self-bashing nationality, but seeing you people go on, I see we stand no chance :-).

Still, not having to see Britain with all its political problems in perspective, I think you people have good attitude, culture, and all the British I've met around in my life were simply great people.
Why hate the UK?

CorsebouTheReturn 08.08.2011 09:46

Re: What to do so people stop hating the UK?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by glinaa (Post 1292224)
I used to think Polish were the most self-bashing nationality, but seeing you people go on, I see we stand no chance :-).

Still, not having to see Britain with all its political problems in perspective, I think you people have good attitude, culture, and all the British I've met around in my life were simply great people.
Why hate the UK?

Because if you would have lived there long time, as opposed to "meet nice people and be happy" you would see that there's situations not acceptable in a modern society.

Such as letting free criminals who do it again and again; Suing people who defended themselves while being robbed by armed men, paying lot of benefits to people who won't make any efforts toward the society, etc...


So I initially said to be rude when necessary, i'm tempted to be rude toward your nice utopic version and your "everyone is nice" comments...

And in the spirit of being open minded, i'd love you to meet those nice British and confirm if they are nice people:*

http://www.penguinsix.com/images/chav.jpg.

*although they might really be nice people, they just behave like assholes.


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