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View Poll Results: Why are these riots happening (vote for the closest to your beliefs)
The Duggan shooting is the primary cause of the riots 4 4.12%
The riots are caused because of social injustice 9 9.28%
The riots are caused because of too much "justice"/benefits etc 5 5.15%
The riots are spontaneous/opportunistic, just criminals seeing an opportunity. 75 77.32%
The riots are caused by too much immigration 4 4.12%
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Anyway, I can't get a seat on the bus, and that's all that counts
He-he, yes, the density in some areas is up but the bus population is also down as well as the fact that the population is much more dependent on having to commute all the time due to the destruction of local business and the requirements to work for centralised big business. All of these factors put together as well as a myriad of others actually make the place feel much more crowded than it actually is.
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have quick peek here. Thats the Greater London Council ..............
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I'd make a bet that if a bystander or rioter in London got injured that the mob would attack the ambulance too.
It's a pretty safe bet, seeing as fire engine crews have been attacked (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/au...fforts-attacks).
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have quick peek here. Thats the Greater London Council ..............
Your link is broken.

However you will find a much more interesting history of what is considdered Greater London here in this article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_London) but it still has not seen a doubling of population since it was created. Nuff said, this is drifting off topic.
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He-he, yes, the density in some areas is up but the bus population is also down as well as the fact that the population is much more dependent on having to commute all the time due to the destruction of local business and the requirements to work for centralised big business. All of these factors put together as well as a myriad of others actually make the place feel much more crowded than it actually is.
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I'll accept a slight exaggeration.
I'm talking about inner London where the population in 1937 was around 4.5 million and I bet it's over 7 million now. Anyway, I can't get a seat on the bus, and that's all that counts
that's cos gangs were given unlimited free bus travel to go around and commit crimes all over london instead of just on their turf.
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Perhaps, but there is no definition of "Greater London" that has stood for any great time period of London and definitly not one where there has been a doubling of population in the area. I doubt there are many people that have been alive long enough to see a doubling of the English population.
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Your link is broken.

However you will find a much more interesting history of what is considdered Greater London here in this article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_London) but it still has not seen a doubling of population since it was created. Nuff said, this is drifting off topic.
Bad case of lastworditis there colin the link is
www.london.gov.uk/
and you dont need wiki anything to know what the GLC is.
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So where is the tear gas, the plastic pellets and the water cannon that Zurich police bring out for every little scuffle? Combined with rounding up pockets of rioters and shipping them away from the action, that should calm things, no? I guess not enough police or resources...
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anger and despair lead to violence.

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So where is the tear gas, the plastic pellets and the water cannon that Zurich police bring out for every little scuffle? Combined with rounding up pockets of rioters and shipping them away from the action, that should calm things, no? I guess not enough police or resources...
After the police were accused of being too tough during the student protests, they are too scared to do anything now.
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Old 09.08.2011, 11:04
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All football matches in London postponed including the England v Holland friendly at Wembley tomorrow.
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Bad case of lastworditis there colin the link is
www.london.gov.uk/
and you dont need wiki anything to know what the GLC is.
The last word is that you're a nitpicking bunch
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All football matches in London postponed including the England v Holland friendly at Wembley tomorrow.
Yep the BNP asked for a postponement cos theyre going to be a bit busy that night.
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The state owes them a job and benefits, its what we all pay tax for, living on benefits is not an amazing sugar plum holiday, the bankers, the banks, the government and the the upper classes in general fu*ked the country and still get paid millions for the priviledge.
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Just plucked a couple of quotes out of the thread (minus names, not picking on anyone).

If any blame is to be put on government the above two quotes sum it up. Disenfranchisement, through coddling and hand holding. The government owes you a job- that's why we pay taxes. This mentality has crippled both the government and the people under it.

Shit parenting, indeed, is at the root of it all. And to expect government to take a hand there is simple folly.

On another note, as a man born and bred in one of the former 13 Colonies, for all the flak U.S. cops get for their heavy handedness, I bet not one person in the affected areas of England would make a peep (other than the thieves and arsonists) if a few U.S. Swat Teams were flown in there, with a proper compliment of U.S. arms.
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So where is the tear gas, the plastic pellets and the water cannon that Zurich police bring out for every little scuffle? Combined with rounding up pockets of rioters and shipping them away from the action, that should calm things, no? I guess not enough police or resources...
Apparently the Home Secretary has not authorised them for use outside of Northern Ireland, making the use of them in England illegal.
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Apparently the Home Secretary has not authorised them for use outside of Northern Ireland, making the use of them in England illegal.
Un-effing-believable. No tear gas either?
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Un-effing-believable. No tear gas either?
Generally this is an incredible ineffective and short termist way to police. To effectively wage war on huge tracts of the community tends not to solve much. However perhaps this is an exception.
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I just read that the Wetherspoons in Woolwich was set ablaze. For those of you who think this is a result of politics and spending cuts then where is the sense or logic in that?
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Un-effing-believable. No tear gas either?
Nope no tear gas either from what I'm led to believe. Just riot shields and truncheons, plus the odd mounted policeman - that's it.
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Generally this is an incredible ineffective and short termist way to police. To effectively wage war on huge tracts of the community tends not to solve much. However perhaps this is an exception.
maybe using real bullets will be an effective long term solution. i don't think it would be a great loss to society or the economy if they disappeared.
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