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The Duggan shooting is the primary cause of the riots 4 4.12%
The riots are caused because of social injustice 9 9.28%
The riots are caused because of too much "justice"/benefits etc 5 5.15%
The riots are spontaneous/opportunistic, just criminals seeing an opportunity. 75 77.32%
The riots are caused by too much immigration 4 4.12%
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Old 09.08.2011, 13:41
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Anyone who thinks that the violence of last night was some sort of protest needs their head examined. There's no 'cause' that these idiots are fighting for, there's no issue that can be addressed to stop their antisocial behaviour.
So you believe they are anti-social by choice? (This is not rethorics, I do not know the UK that well...)

All kids I met in my life, including chavy ones from various countries, did not exactly enjoy being small time criminals or the like. I'd say most people that have the choice choose a somewhat honest and decent life. This does not mean that teenagers at all times stole things or did other stupid stuff, but they normally do not burn cities down.

I don't think they have a clear point that can be easily addressed - but I think they are very angry about their situation. And from what I read is the current situation for underaverage educated young males in the UK currently not exactly exciting. And the outlook is worse. I do not in any way defend the violence. At all. But to say there is no reasons for it in any way and that everyone who wants to work can easily make it sounds too good to be true as well to me.

I heard that the US puts a lot of their chavs into the army and let them play havoc with distant countries. Maybe that would help?

We could maybe agree on some place to dump all of them and let them fight each other. It would need to be some confined place, I guess ideally an island... Is Iceland still broke? Or Ireland? We could solve the Cyprus situation as well...
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"If you're down for making money, we're about to go hard in east london tonight, yes tonight!!" it said. "I don't care what ends you're from, we're personally inviting you to come and get it in. Police have taken the piss for too long and to be honest I don't know why its taken so long for us make this happen. We need a minimum of 200 hungry people. We're not broke, but who says no to free stuff. Doesn't matter if the police arrive cos we'll just chase dem out because as you've seen on the news, they are NOT ON DIS TING. Everyone meet at 7 at stratford park and let's get rich."

http://www.u.tv/news/London-riots-Bl...8-a5ec8eda92d9

Don't know how genuine it is but for those who think this is caused by spending cuts and politics then here is a different slant on it.
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If you look at the videos, a huge majority of the looters are NOT from Afro-Carribean background at all, but disaffected UK youth.
Can't somebody be of "Afro-Carribean background" and "UK youth" at the same time?? Thats an interesting Freudian slip
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Never mind London. Itīs anarchy on the streets here also. The Daily Telegraph was sold out at the kiosk.
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Old 09.08.2011, 13:59
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Some incident happend on the Curry Mile in Rusholme (I think a pedestrian was knocked down) while we were dining there and within a few minutes a hundred or more local Asians had congregated down the street to 'help out'.
I'm not sure how to interpret those inverted commas. Where they helping or 'helping'?
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Can't somebody be of "Afro-Carribean background" and "UK youth" at the same time?? Thats an interesting Freudian slip
PC language and expressions are a mine of interesting Freudian material.
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So you believe they are anti-social by choice? (This is not rethorics, I do not know the UK that well...)
Pretty much, yes.

Now you can argue that if they had been brought up better - most will come from a dysfunctional family background with awful parenting - that they would be better people but there's nothing you can do about that now and sooner or later a person has to be responsible for themselves.

You can also argue that if society was more cohesive and communities were stronger, then maybe these wretched oxygen thieves wouldn't have been able to get to the state of social retardation that they are in ... and there might be something that can be done by society there to stop more becoming like that.

However my estimation of British society is that it is broken beyond the point where it can fix itself without some sort of disruptive upheaval and it will involve a massive backlash and over-reaction. Maybe this marks the trigger for that?
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What doesn't figure in the statistics is the vast number of illegal immigrants who flood into London.
Of course, no more of them than one million in the whole of the UK, so many less in London. No problem, they really don't skew the statistics very much at all, especially in the light of the double the population debate. So, the numbers are really not that vast.

Incindently, Switzerland has a much higher "immigrant" population than the UK and only seems to make about the same amount of noise about it...I wonder what we could deduce from that? (Other than that the Swiss hate noise.)

Haivng been an immigrant in a few countries, I can tell you from my experience in the UK that it is percieved within the immigrant communities that immigrants, (legal or illegal) do most of the hard work in the larger community around them while so many UK born sit around on their bums claiming benefits. (Just another point of view, I claim neither are correct).
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However my estimation of British society is that it is broken beyond the point where it can fix itself without some sort of disruptive upheaval and it will involve a massive backlash and over-reaction. Maybe this marks the trigger for that?
Not exactly with you on how you got to this point, but this statement itself, you have my 100% agreement!
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ate-raids.html

'It's unbelievable BlackBerry Messenger hasn't been shut down': Mayor's aide calls for ban on riot 'tool'

Not long before they shut down the internet too.
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Old 09.08.2011, 14:32
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'It's unbelievable BlackBerry Messenger hasn't been shut down': Mayor's aide calls for ban on riot 'tool'

Not long before they shut down the internet too.
lol thats going to be the undoing of all the rioters, as soon as the bib have 1 of the rioters phones they'll be able to trace everyone who sent and forwarded the pm's, all the way to the original senders.
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I think whilst we in the UK were busily projecting London as this wonderful utopia fit to hold the next Olympic Games, there was this whole underclass smouldering in the background.
Now no-one got Olympic tickets, the schools are out, the kids are bored, there's zilch to do and to look forward too, and 'rioting is exciting yeah'...exactly what a young kid has just said on bbc radio.
It's an escalation of the 'flash-mob' culture except that, instead of turning up at Victoria Station wearing pink tutus, they're meeting to loot. Much more exciting.
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lol thats going to be the undoing of all the rioters, as soon as the bib have 1 of the rioters phones they'll be able to trace everyone who sent and forwarded the pm's, all the way to the original senders.
Yeah, cos the original senders obviously didn't nick the BlackBerry in the first place.
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I think whilst we in the UK were busily projecting London as this wonderful utopia fit to hold the next Olympic Games, there was this whole underclass smouldering in the background.
Now no-one got Olympic tickets, the schools are out, the kids are bored, there's zilch to do and to look forward too, and 'rioting is exciting yeah'...exactly what a young kid has just said on bbc radio.
It's an escalation of the 'flash-mob' culture except that, instead of turning up at Victoria Station wearing pink tutus, they're meeting to loot. Much more exciting.
Compared to when I grew up , there is plenty to do ... "they" just cannot be bothered to make the effort

Anyway looting and rioting is cool and on the telly, init !

It's the destructive side of the flash-mob/ consumerist/ me. me. me culture.
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Yeah, cos the original senders obviously didn't nick the BlackBerry in the first place.

even if they did they would have had to known there mates numbers etc, and the police will have the mast information etc so will be able to place them at the scene (if they can be bothered)
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Not long before they shut down the internet too.
Yes, because taking away liberty is the standard way for the UK government to tackle any problem. A very sucessful strategy so far.
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There are a number of groups getting together to help clean up the areas affected by the riots. Such as:

http://twitpic.com/63cxqt

http://www.riotcleanup.com/

http://46.183.9.169/Riot_Clean_Up.html
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Yes, because taking away liberty is the standard way for the UK government to tackle any problem. A very sucessful strategy so far.
There is a standard way for the UK government, or any government, to tackle a problem?


The technology advisor to the mayor of London wanting to stop BBM, is just a small step to the erosion of liberties.
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What needs to be done is that the rioters need to be bought off with the taxes of those who've actually bothered to do something with their lives.

I suggest giving them money for not doing any work, free housing and utilities, free education so that they may better themselves, free healthcare and even more money should they choose to reproduce.... hang on a minute, don't they get that already?

Well I guess bullets and sterilisation are cheaper...
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A man who was shot during the rioting in Croydon has died.

Police will be stepping up their response tonight.

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