View Poll Results: Why are these riots happening (vote for the closest to your beliefs) |
The Duggan shooting is the primary cause of the riots
|    | 4 | 4.12% |
The riots are caused because of social injustice
|    | 9 | 9.28% |
The riots are caused because of too much "justice"/benefits etc
|    | 5 | 5.15% |
The riots are spontaneous/opportunistic, just criminals seeing an opportunity.
|    | 75 | 77.32% |
The riots are caused by too much immigration
|    | 4 | 4.12% |  | | | 
09.08.2011, 17:25
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| | Re: The Tottenham Riots.... | Quote: | |  | | | if you dont respect your national identity, then learn another language mate, because the futures not bright. | | | | | I am calm and grinning....and the UK democracy (or what they claim is one) has a lot to do with my lack of national identity. I am an Englishman (albeit a dyslexic one who cannot always engage the spell check properly), and that to me is a culture, not a nation, and it is a bloody strong identity that I have much pride in. | Quote: | |  | | | those at the bottom are no less guilty of it than those at the top | | | | | Just a question, is there a difference to you between tax evasion and violent crime?
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Reason: added: , and it is a bloody strong identity that I have much pride in.
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09.08.2011, 17:25
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| | Re: The Tottenham Riots.... | Quote: | |  | | | Secondly, at least two of the riots that you list have been mainly stirred up by the BNP and racism. The present rioting may may have been sparked by racial tensions and discriminatory stop and search practices, but most young unemployed are sick of being treated as untermensch, Chavs, all the things that many of you love to call them on this forum. Some of you, I bet, are those that have climbed out of the ghettos and want to dissociate yourselves from that which you left behind, you have climbed the ladder and shaken off the shame of poverty. Well Done! Now you can lord it over those left behind. . | | | | | Delightful insight. And you gleaned all that while living in Iran? Or when hobnobbing with your millionaire friends in Hollywood?
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09.08.2011, 17:25
| | Re: The Tottenham Riots.... | Quote: | |  | | | Fristly, the tensions have always been there, but the Labour government handled them, these in no way compare to the riots of Brixton. This in 1981 alone
1981 - Brixton riot of 1981, (London, England)
1981 - 1981 Irish hunger strike (Northern Ireland in May, July, August 1981)
1981 - Toxteth riots (Liverpool, England)
1981 - Moss Side riots (Manchester, England)
1981 - Chapeltown riot Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
1981 - First Handsworth Riot, (Birmingham, England)
Secondly, at least two of the riots that you list have been mainly stirred up by the BNP and racism. The present rioting may may have been sparked by racial tensions and discriminatory stop and search practices, but most young unemployed are sick of being treated as untermensch, Chavs, all the things that many of you love to call them on this forum. Some of you, I bet, are those that have climbed out of the ghettos and want to dissociate yourselves from that which you left behind, you have climbed the ladder and shaken off the shame of poverty. Well Done! Now you can lord it over those left behind. Others just want to find a whipping boy for their losses on the Stock market. There is greed in all of us- those at the bottom are no less guilty of it than those at the top and may have fiddled their taxes and so stolen more in worth, than just an LCD TV or a bag of rice. | | | | |
You might as well have made the statement
'In all the years there was a labour government there hasn't been a riot on a Saturday evening at 18h56 while there is a full moon during December on a leap year'
If you are going to keep adding stipulations to your statement.
Why are we talking about 1981 again? I thought we were just talking about the 11 years labour were in government
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09.08.2011, 17:33
| | Re: The Tottenham Riots.... | Quote: | |  | | | Colin, calm down, firstly im not sure thats how you spell allegience but secondly , if you dont respect your national identity, then learn another language mate, because the futures not bright. You cannot espouse solutions to social problems whilst at the same time abandoning all hope(unless you had a good lunch) but at the end of the day, the English/British have a very firm identity and it will always be so. | | | | | Survival of the fittest? At least he's had his lunch, so he's on the right track.
With the pound and Euro dropping, some may end up eating into their deposit accounts if inflation takes hold. Watch that triple A rating slide and questions about public safety during the Olympics. All you need next is for the Irish to kick off.
These riots are the British identity at present and will remain so unless the government brings out some great thinkers and no I don't mean George Osborne.
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09.08.2011, 17:35
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Surely we're well overdue a complete non sequitur of a cut'n'paste from hoppyngtonpost.com? | This user would like to thank for this useful post: | | 
09.08.2011, 17:36
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What we need tonight is a good torrential downpour. The streets will all be quiet then | This user would like to thank Deep Purple for this useful post: | | 
09.08.2011, 17:37
| | Re: The Tottenham Riots.... | Quote: | |  | | | You might as well have made the statement
'In all the years there was a labour government there hasn't been a riot on a Saturday evening at 18h56 while there is a full moon during December on a leap year'
If you are going to keep adding stipulations to your statement.
Why are we talking about 1981 again? I thought we were just talking about the 11 years labour were in government | | | | | No you want to bring it back to the 11years of Labour Government because you want to try to shift the blame to them- but they are not responsible, this is the Conservatives mess, it has happened under their watch, they have to own it..... And the Chief of Police even warned them it would happen.
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| | Re: The Tottenham Riots.... | Quote: | |  | | | Surely we're well overdue a complete non sequitur of a cut'n'paste from hoppyngtonpost.com?  | | | | | Oi, are you not supposed to be boarding up your windows? | The following 2 users would like to thank colinwheeler for this useful post: | | 
09.08.2011, 17:40
| | Re: The Tottenham Riots.... | Quote: | |  | | | No you want to bring it back to the 11years of Labour Government because you want to try to shift the blame to them- but they are not responsible, this is the Conservatives mess, it has happened under their watch, they have to own it..... And the Chief of Police even warned them it would happen. | | | | | No. I made no judgement on whose fault this is, I don't have the full facts to make that judgement. You said there was no rioting 'of this kind (whatever the hell this kind means)' in the 11 years which Labour where in government. I posted evidence to the contrary of that.
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09.08.2011, 17:43
| | Re: The Tottenham Riots.... | Quote: | |  | | | Oi, are you not supposed to be boarding up your windows? | | | | | Naw, I've gorra go down to the boat and tidy it up from the weekend - it looks as if a riot hit it, if that's what you mean
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09.08.2011, 17:55
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| | Re: The Tottenham Riots.... | Quote: | |  | | | No you want to bring it back to the 11years of Labour Government because you want to try to shift the blame to them- but they are not responsible, this is the Conservatives mess, it has happened under their watch, they have to own it..... And the Chief of Police even warned them it would happen. | | | | | Total bollocks
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09.08.2011, 17:55
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| | Re: The Tottenham Riots.... | Quote: | |  | | | No you want to bring it back to the 11years of Labour Government because you want to try to shift the blame to them- but they are not responsible, this is the Conservatives mess, it has happened under their watch, they have to own it..... And the Chief of Police even warned them it would happen. | | | | | I'm surprised at your simplistic naivety.
It's far deeper and longer that 11 years. It goes back at least 60 years. Successive Labour and Conservative British governements are only a part of the story...
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09.08.2011, 18:03
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09.08.2011, 18:06
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| | Re: The Tottenham Riots.... | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | I know the chap with the beard! | The following 13 users would like to thank Deep Purple for this useful post: | adrianlondon, ceppych, Clarejane, colinwheeler, grumpygit, MathNut, MrVertigo, Oldhand, Stifoan, ximix, zymogen | 
09.08.2011, 18:09
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| | Re: The Tottenham Riots.... | Quote: | |  | | | No you want to bring it back to the 11years of Labour Government because you want to try to shift the blame to them- but they are not responsible, this is the Conservatives mess, it has happened under their watch, they have to own it..... And the Chief of Police even warned them it would happen. | | | | | labour inherited a country whose finances where in good health, they where in power through arguably 9 of the most prosperous years the country has ever seen, they made tens of billions in extra from the 3g sales, the gold sell off, the great pension steal etc etc and yet after 11 years of them the country is bankrupt, why is that?? oh, not bankrupt you say, have you seen the public sector pension deficit??
all the while the banks where giving them money hand over fist they didn't care where it came from, worse then a criminals partner, I didn't know it was nicked, honest
so please, give it a rest with its all the tories fault, bollocks is it, they have inherited a total shit storm, why do you think none of the labour heavyweights wanted the leaders job?
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09.08.2011, 18:10
| | Re: The Tottenham Riots.... | Quote: | |  | | | I know the chap with the beard!  | | | | | I'm sure I saw him last weekend | The following 2 users would like to thank for this useful post: | | 
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| | Re: The Tottenham Riots.... | Quote: | |  | | | I know one of them!!!!! I KNOW one of them!!!! I've seen him hanging out in dodgy places, usually poor inner cities, but I never had him down for a crim, tho'
It's this guy.... Attachment 30673 | | | | |
too slow lol
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| | Re: The Tottenham Riots.... | Quote: | |  | | | I'm surprised at your simplistic naivety.
It's far deeper and longer that 11 years. It goes back at least 60 years. Successive Labour and Conservative British governements are only a part of the story... | | | | | Well, come on then! I'm hanging on your every word, and I do mean that.
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| | Re: The Tottenham Riots.... | Quote: | |  | | | Aight as got me Basmati innit bruv!!! | | | | | Isn't that's the TV chef Ainsley Havariot?
Famous for Jamaican rice and peas.
Ingredients: - 1 1/2 cups dried red kick-in-the-kidney beans, soaked in petrol overnight
- 2 cloves smashed-to-a-pulp garlic
- 1/2 cup unsweetened kick-to-the-coconuts milk
- 3 green onions, thinly sliced with a flick-knife
- 3 sprigs fresh time-pieces (Rolex)
- 1 1/2 cups long grain rice (loot shelf at Tescos)
- Salt and freshly ground pepper spray
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