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View Poll Results: Why are these riots happening (vote for the closest to your beliefs)
The Duggan shooting is the primary cause of the riots 4 4.12%
The riots are caused because of social injustice 9 9.28%
The riots are caused because of too much "justice"/benefits etc 5 5.15%
The riots are spontaneous/opportunistic, just criminals seeing an opportunity. 75 77.32%
The riots are caused by too much immigration 4 4.12%
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Several groups made the effort to travel across London to specifically target certain areas populated by ethnic minorities (see my post about Whitechapel a few pages ago).

This cannot simply be excused as 'wanton violence'. These attacks were carefully targeted attempts by British-born youths to intimidate immigrant communities.
How many immigrant communities live in Clapham Common ? I personally think it was random with no specific target at all.
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In normal time, there's the UK's legal system to look out for the neighbors and friends. Not the "community".


You don't know much about Britain, do you?
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Soweto as shops - or a least it did when I went there . Not exactly Luton High Street



It was a protest ...

Exactly - that is precisely my point
Not just opportunistic looting and thuggery ....
Yes, it had shebeens, pap and vleis cafes and general trading stores, not Currys , Dixons or Phones-4-u.

Sharpville became a disaster after the Police fired.
Maybe Tottenham did too ?
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Several groups made the effort to travel across London to specifically target certain areas populated by ethnic minorities (see my post about Whitechapel a few pages ago).

This cannot simply be excused as 'wanton violence'. These attacks were carefully targeted attempts by British-born youths to intimidate immigrant communities.
Sorry DB but that's complete balderdash.
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The Kurdish, Somali and Bengali districts escaped most of the looting, because the local "communities" took measures to defend themselves

'Community' is the key here.

In large parts of Britain, the concept of a community has long since evaporated which is a major part of these reason why this nest of 'feral rats' (as one member of the public interviewed on the news so accurately put it) has been allowed to fester and grow.

The solution to this problem is not going to be some sort of security measure by the authorities - people are going to have to take some sort of communal responsibility and take anti-social scrotes to task/smack them down when they seem them playing up.

Until now, people have been happy to grumble and do nothing, look the other way and pretend it wasn't happening or even tolerate the behaviour and excuse it as the new normal.
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Several groups made the effort to travel across London to specifically target certain areas populated by ethnic minorities (see my post about Whitechapel a few pages ago).

This cannot simply be excused as 'wanton violence'. These attacks were carefully targeted attempts by British-born youths to intimidate immigrant communities.
Some yes, but I would venture that not all, indeed only a minority are like this. There's always going to be an element within society that will use civil unrest to further their political agenda (i.e. right wing).

However, the rest - a majority - is just a bunch of feral opportunistic jerks.
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Several groups made the effort to travel across London to specifically target certain areas populated by ethnic minorities (see my post about Whitechapel a few pages ago).

This cannot simply be excused as 'wanton violence'. These attacks were carefully targeted attempts by British-born youths to intimidate immigrant communities.
So this was coincidental to the shooting, and that it was already planned, and the shooting had nothing to do with it ?
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Sorry DB but that's complete balderdash.
So you deny that these kids are almost all British and that many of their victims are Kurdish, Somali or Bangladeshi?
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So this was coincidental to the shooting, and that it was already planned, and the shooting had nothing to do with it ?
If you say so.

I didn't.
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So you deny that these kids are almost all British and that many of their victims are Kurdish, Somali or Bangladeshi?

one of the biggest victims, reeves furniture, wasn't an ethnic minority
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one of the biggest victims, reeves furniture, wasn't an ethnic minority
You beat me to it..............
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You don't know much about Britain, do you?
I'm not saying "it works", but in theory we're all supposed to use the legal system. That's why you also pay taxes for.

And trying to seek assistance inside the communities (in normal times) is not as good as "filing a real police report": because the criminal or offender will be involved in the legal system with possible fine or sanctions, after a fair trial.

Now yes the legal system is screwed up but it's not an excuse to use "communities". As citizen we should fight to reform it and make it better (more efficient, more fair).

Or you can chose to be discriminating and seek help on your community only.
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one of the biggest victims, reeves furniture, wasn't an ethnic minority
Indeed. But the fact remains that looting parties have deliberately travelled across London to get to districts populated by ethnic minorities, such as Whitechapel.

Why?
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So you deny that these kids are almost all British and that many of their victims are Kurdish, Somali or Bangladeshi?
Yes (which is too short apparently)
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Several groups made the effort to travel across London to specifically target certain areas populated by ethnic minorities (see my post about Whitechapel a few pages ago).

This cannot simply be excused as 'wanton violence'. These attacks were carefully targeted attempts by British-born youths to intimidate immigrant communities.
I haven't seen anything in the news to suggest that there has been any specific attempts to target particular racial groups. Everything that I have seen suggests that it has been targeted at property in general.

Perhaps the areas targeted just happened to have a majority of a particular race but were considered as easy targets due to low Police presence.
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Yes (which is too short apparently)
Which bit? The fact that the kids are British, or the fact that many of their victims are Somali, Kurdish and Bangladeshi?
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1) I don't deny it, but neither have I seen any proof that this is the case - I am willing to accept that in some instances this will, however, be the case - see my post above.

2) Define native-born British - footage I've seen shows white (yes), black, brown and all (or a lot of if you prefer) the shades in-between.

3) The "shopkeepers" and reports I have seen feature British people and a random assortment of stores, such as Tesco, Aldi and other high street stores...
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Very good example of what is "communities": Nice way to disintegrate a working country into many different ones, causing even more possibilities of clashes.


Now yes they had to do something because the police is not capable of dealing with the situation, as it the whole legal system (because remember policemen are public servant, at the front end of the legal system, they are not judges).

But:

Instead of calling the police, make report, etc... where everyone should have the same chances, etc... we have:

a community acting to defend that community. Therefore there're outsiders to that community. They've internals set of moral and laws, and their own reactions/legal consequences.

Next time i'll complain to a Turkish hair dresser because of a commercial reason, he'll whistle and the community will come to defend him because I offended or "threatened the community"? What next?
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I though we all had to comply with the law, same chances, same rules, etc...

Thank you "community system" for disintegrating a country even more.
Come on, thats completely stretching it and you know it.

Due to the lack of police resources, these communities stood up to protect themselves and their livelihoods because they have to as the times call for it. These are hardworking small business owners who have built their businesses from scratch and cannot stand against the onslaught like the bigger companies can. Imagine their lives being turned upside down because their only shop have been looted - completely and utterly different from the CEO of Currys and Tescos who are just probably sweating in their boardrooms.

Why bring them down to the same level as those lawless thugs?
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Perhaps the areas targeted just happened to have a majority of a particular race but were considered as easy targets due to low Police presence.
That's possible.

I just hope that this is remembered during the next hysterical debate about 'criminal foreigners' in the United Kingdom.

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If you say so.

I didn't.
But it sounds like you did. To me, you are saying these riots are planned and focused and nothing to do with being a spontaneous reaction to the Police shooting.

Of course, you can correct me more precisely to avoid confusion.
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