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View Poll Results: Why are these riots happening (vote for the closest to your beliefs)
The Duggan shooting is the primary cause of the riots 4 4.12%
The riots are caused because of social injustice 9 9.28%
The riots are caused because of too much "justice"/benefits etc 5 5.15%
The riots are spontaneous/opportunistic, just criminals seeing an opportunity. 75 77.32%
The riots are caused by too much immigration 4 4.12%
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Old 10.08.2011, 12:29
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If Duggan's death was the primary cause, why did London not go up in flames when Menendez had a clip emptied in his head?
Not sure if the answer is because
1) he was guilty
2) he was innocent



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I've added a poll - just so that we know where we are with this.
Options 3 & 4 are the same or linked, i.e. an opportunist would not take an opportunity if the risk-reward balance is not stacked in his/her favour...
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I voted for "because of too much immigration". Why?
If all the hard-working Polish workers wouldn't pay the benefits for the local scum and keep the economy running, there wouldn't be these riots as they'd have to work themselves.
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I've split the discussion of the circumstances surrounding Mark Duggan's death onto its own thread. Here it is:
Mark Duggan shot and killed by London police
So now I've had to munch my way through a whole packet of Tyrrells' crisps in frustration at trying to decide what goes where
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Old 10.08.2011, 12:40
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If Duggan's death was the primary cause, why did London not go up in flames when Menendez had a clip emptied in his head?
Why doesn't your house go up in flames every time some cigarette ash drops on the carpet?


Course of events:

Duggan gets killed.
. Duggan's family/friends not happy with police version of events.
.. Family/friends hold protest.
... Protest turns into riot in Tottenham
.... Local opportunists see chance to loot and vandalise
..... Other opportunists around London see them getting away with it and get some of the 'action'
....... Chavscum 'yoof' around Britain see them getting away with it in London and decide to try their luck


It's the snowball effect.

Something like the 'chav uprising' would have happened sooner or later - this just happens to be what started it.
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Old 10.08.2011, 12:45
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So now I've had to munch my way through a whole packet of Tyrrells' crisps in frustration at trying to decide what goes where
Mmmmm, let me guess - Mature Cheddar and Chives?

It's a hard life, isn't it?
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Mmmmm, let me guess - Mature Cheddar and Chives?

It's a hard life, isn't it?
Nope, Sea Salt and Cider Vinegar.
Your fault, of course that I had to eat the whole packet, and nothing whatever to do with gluttony
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Nope, Sea Salt and Cider Vinegar.
Your fault, of course that I had to eat the whole packet, and nothing whatever to do with gluttony
We've no crisps in the house right now, so I had to make do with a handful of roasted hazelnuts from the baking cupboard. I've taken to roasting them as soon as I buy them - is there ever a recipe you'd want an unroasted hazelnut for? - unfortunately it has the side effect of increased snackability.

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One for most of the UK these days, nothing new eh.
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We've no crisps in the house right now, so I had to make do with a handful of roasted hazelnuts from the baking cupboard. I've taken to roasting them as soon as I buy them - is there ever a recipe you'd want an unroasted hazelnut for? - unfortunately it has the side effect of increased snackability.

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You've done well my friend DB. She said crisps and not potato chips
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Why doesn't your house go up in flames every time some cigarette ash drops on the carpet?


Course of events:

Duggan gets killed.
. Duggan's family/friends not happy with police version of events.
.. Family/friends hold protest.
... Protest turns into riot in Tottenham
.... Local opportunists see chance to loot and vandalise
..... Other opportunists around London see them getting away with it and get some of the 'action'
....... Chavscum 'yoof' around Britain see them getting away with it in London and decide to try their luck


It's the snowball effect.

Something like the 'chav uprising' would have happened sooner or later - this just happens to be what started it.
The Duggan shooting might be related to the original riots, but the 'snowball effect' in the rest of the UK is more related to the 'flash-mob' effect and the catalyst was the Blackberry messaging service advertising excitement and free loot.
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Old 10.08.2011, 13:01
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The reason that there are not enough Police out catching rioters is that they are sat in the station on Facebook

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Assistant Chief Constable Nick Wilkinson said: "Throughout yesterday and overnight the county was carefully monitored and we were prepared for any disorder relating to the national unrest as well as serving Sussex as normal.

"It was important that we acted quickly and accurately to any rumours and concerns, particularly those that continued to come via social media sites."
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You've done well my friend DB. She said crisps and not potato chips
I love how Americans say "potato chips". As if we're going to confuse them with wood chips
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I love how Americans say "potato chips". As if we're going to confuse them with wood chips
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Cameron has given the go ahead for the police to use water cannons:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...n-control.html
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We've no crisps in the house right now, so I had to make do with a handful of roasted hazelnuts from the baking cupboard. I've taken to roasting them as soon as I buy them - is there ever a recipe you'd want an unroasted hazelnut for? - unfortunately it has the side effect of increased snackability.

Are we Off Topic yet?
You are absolutely right.
I always have to roast mine and then wait for them to cool before I can add them to the chocolate brownie mix.
Now there's a whole new thread there on why hazelnuts aren't roasted before they hit the supermarket shelves.
One of the Mods is now going to criticise me for being 'off-topic'
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Cameron has given the go ahead for the police to use water cannons:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...n-control.html
The first time most of this riff raff will have been washed in 2011.
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First looter convicted:

Alexis Bailey, 31 year old teacher from Croydon ... looted the local Richer Sounds (HiFi shop).

http://community.tes.co.uk/forums/p/510657/6929048.aspx

What was she 'protesting' about I wonder - cuts to schools?
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It is clear that the youth of Britain are disenchanted, disaffected, widely anti-social and now beyond the possibility of control. Politicians have been aware of this for years but chose to ignore it. These days young people can't get a better job than working at McDonald's for shit wages so they can't afford to buy things and can't afford a place to live. If they want a job they will need a degree and be bloody lucky to get one even then and then owe shit loads of money in tuition fees so they will never be able to put a deposit on a house. Landlords know that they are trapped and so put up the rent to keep them as paying slaves.

The young people of Britain are devoid of hope. They have no future. They are anti-social because society is against them. This was bound to happen and it did.

It is beyond political repair by politicians who can only plan for the current term and their reelection. We need a new charter for the young people of Britain.
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Alexis Bailey, 31 year old teacher from Croydon ... looted the local Richer Sounds (HiFi shop).
Coincidence?

Still, it shows how much this nonsense has to do with povertyandeprivation...
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First looter convicted:

Alexis Bailey, 31 year old teacher from Croydon ... looted the local Richer Sounds (HiFi shop).

http://community.tes.co.uk/forums/p/510657/6929048.aspx

What was she 'protesting' about I wonder - cuts to schools?

she should have the book thrown at her, richer sounds ffs, croydon has much better hi-fi shops then that
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