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View Poll Results: Why are these riots happening (vote for the closest to your beliefs)
The Duggan shooting is the primary cause of the riots 4 4.12%
The riots are caused because of social injustice 9 9.28%
The riots are caused because of too much "justice"/benefits etc 5 5.15%
The riots are spontaneous/opportunistic, just criminals seeing an opportunity. 75 77.32%
The riots are caused by too much immigration 4 4.12%
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Wasn't his grand announcement that he would increase police numbers?
he then announced that the Met increased from 6000 to 16000, where does Cameron think they got them- out of thin air. His reaction was probably don't know. don't care just secure London. He is incapable of micromanaging, just makes grand gestures and statements.

The teacher may well be stealing supplies. I often had to buy supplies out of my own pocket.

like all politicians.

here's probably how the meeting went

Cameron - get me as many police as you can down here now, find out who has spare bobbies

Chief inspector of manchester - hey, I want some brownie points, here have 50 of ours, all getting that lovely overtime

Cameron - ta
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Where if the option for 'a mixture of all the above'?
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Seconded. The cause of the riots is more simple than any of these root causes. No use as a poll.
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It was a "he" and he was a full time worker at a prmary school (i.e. maybe not a teacher)
He is was a 'learning mentor'.

Was a free stereo really worth losing his job?

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The teacher may well be stealing supplies.
What? You're joking, right?
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Old 10.08.2011, 14:26
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Wasn't his grand announcement that he would increase police numbers?
He then announced that the Met increased from 6000 to 16000, where does Cameron think they got them- out of thin air. His reaction was probably don't know. don't care just secure London. He is incapable of micromanaging, just makes grand gestures and statements.

Didn't you listen to his grand speech?

The teacher may well be stealing supplies. I often had to buy supplies out of my own pocket.
Disgusting post really, and that's from someone who thinks the Met could do without the lying ex-News of the World-types in their press department spouting lies after the original incident (what's wrong with telling the truth?).

1/ Cameron said there would be more police on the streets, including reinforcements from other forces in the UK. He knows you can't "increase the Met" (what language! had the cuts kicked in already when you trained?) to 16'000, given that it already employs over 52'000 people, including over 33'000 police officers.

2/ "Stealing supplies"? Is that because of the cuts? Look, he was arrested for looting Richer Sounds in Croydon. His plea was "guilty".
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If you actually bothered to read something other than hoppyngtonpost.com, you might have seen that all eight of the Scottish police forces sent equipment, vehicles and manpower to backfill those sent south from the north of England.

Manchester is in the north of England.
Why don't you actually bother to find out by reading a little more? Merseyside Police had the sense to refuse to do Cameron's bidding. Cameron knows little if anything about the North. When he decided to visit he received heckles of 'too late'

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Merseyside Police has refused a plea for assistance from the Metropolitan Police as they concentrate on managing home grown unrest.

Neighbouring forces are sending hundreds of police to London to help quell riots there.

Greater Manchester is sending 100 public order trained officers, Lancashire, 76 while Cheshire confirmed officers would be sent but refused to say how many.

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Why don't you actually bother to find out by reading a little more? Merseyside Police had the sense to refuse to do Cameron's bidding. Cameron knows little if anything about the North. When he decided to visit he received heckles of 'too late'


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Why don't you actually bother to find out by reading a little more? Merseyside Police had the sense to refuse to do Cameron's bidding. Cameron knows little if anything about the North. When he decided to visit he received heckles of 'too late'


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seriously, give it a rest
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Hoppy who are you? You are clearly bonkers on many levels




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He then announced that the Met increased from 6000 to 16000, where does Cameron think they got them- out of thin air. His reaction was probably don't know. don't care just secure London. He is incapable of micromanaging, just makes grand gestures and statements.

Didn't you listen to his grand speech?

The teacher may well be stealing supplies. I often had to buy supplies out of my own pocket.
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Not bonkers but trying very hard to bring this thread once again into a political debate and possibly an anti british theme, therefore beware the troll.
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Not bonkers but trying very hard to bring this thread once again into a political debate and possibly an anti british theme, therefore beware the troll.
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Disgusting post really, and that's from someone who thinks the Met could do without the lying ex-News of the World-types in their press department spouting lies after the original incident (what's wrong with telling the truth?).

1/ Cameron said there would be more police on the streets, including reinforcements from other forces in the UK. He knows you can't "increase the Met" (what language! had the cuts kicked in already when you trained?) to 16'000, given that it already employs over 52'000 people, including over 33'000 police officers.
Are you arguing semantics because you can't argue the facts? I am not teaching at present I am a on a forum. If you want me to teach I can but I will charge. Given my credentials I can charge quite a bit when I feel so inclined. But here just for you- do read the BBC sites?


BBC

The Met has said it will increase the number of officers on the streets from 6,000 to 16,000 and had requested help from forces across the UK to achieve that figure.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-14463868
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The BBC's Clive Coleman at Highbury Corner magistrates' court says many are being committed for sentencing at the crown court. The reason for this is the magistrates' bench feel the riot was such an aggravating feature to the burglary that the crown court ought to sentence because they have additional powers. The magistrates feel that they had insufficient powers to sentence for a single count of burglary. They could only sentence for six months whereas that could be up to 10 years at the crown court.
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A step in the right direction.
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Oh Cleggie!


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Meanwhile, Mr Clegg has seen comments he made in the run-up to the General Election last year come back to haunt him.
He said Britain could be hit by a wave of "Greece-style" unrest if the Tories won.
Speaking in April 2010, the Lib Dem leader said he feared "serious social strife" if an administration with minimal support raised taxes, laid off public sector workers and froze wages.
In an interview with The Observer, Mr Clegg said: "Imagine the Conservatives go home and get an absolute majority, on 25% of the eligible vote.
"Then they turn around in the next week or two and say we're going to chuck up VAT to 20%, we're going to to start cutting teachers, cutting police and the wage bill in the public sector.
"I think if you're not careful in that situation...you'd get Greek-style unrest."
http://news.sky.com/home/politics/article/16046120
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Given my credentials
hahahahahahahaha

What credentials? Aerodynamics and fluid engineering?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I know you "don't need to prove your credentials to unknown folk over the internet". But i believe you already have, rather unwittingly.
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Wasn't his grand announcement that he would increase police numbers?
He then announced that the Met increased from 6000 to 16000, where does Cameron think they got them- out of thin air.....
As you seem to want to talk semantics, what you say above is very much not the same as what you quote below.

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Are you arguing semantics because you can't argue the facts? I am not teaching at present I am a on a forum. If you want me to teach I can but I will charge. Given my credentials I can charge quite a bit when I feel so inclined. But here just for you- do read the BBC sites?

BBC

The Met has said it will increase the number of officers on the streets from 6,000 to 16,000 and had requested help from forces across the UK to achieve that figure.
In fact, if you can bother reading the whole story properly, what the Met said is that they would increase the number of Police on the streets overnight from 6,000 to 16,000 by drafting in support from other forces. Not by increasing their own numbers.
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A step in the right direction.
That is such BS, the prison system couldn't cope before the riots! the ministry of Justice should read its own briefing papers


Oh by the way this is a parliamentary briefing paper from May of this year, from the House of Commons Library not HuffPost!

www.parliament.uk/briefing-papers/SN04334.pdf

Prison population statistics
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SN/SG/4334
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The number of offenders in prison reached a record high of 85,494 prisoners on 1 October 2010, 2,150 places above the useable operational capacity of the prison estate. In addition to this there were 400 unused spaces available under Operation Safeguard. Operation Safeguard is the formal use of police and court cells to accommodate prisoners.
The prison population in England and Wales has increased steadily over the past century and surpassed 80,000 for the first time in December 2006. On 22 February 2008 the total population exceeded the useable operational capacity of the prison estate for the first time in history.
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That is such BS, the prison system couldn't cope before the riots! the ministry of Justice should read its own briefing papers
Whatever. There's worse things going on right now, such as being 5 down just after lunch on day one
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That is such BS, the prison system couldn't cope before the riots!
There are ways and means, Hoppy.

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As the schools are out now we can just shove them all in those.
Some of the inner-city schools are just like prisons anyway.
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