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The Duggan shooting is the primary cause of the riots 4 4.12%
The riots are caused because of social injustice 9 9.28%
The riots are caused because of too much "justice"/benefits etc 5 5.15%
The riots are spontaneous/opportunistic, just criminals seeing an opportunity. 75 77.32%
The riots are caused by too much immigration 4 4.12%
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Old 07.08.2011, 09:34
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The Tottenham Riots....

....a shooting, police cars on fire, ambulances prevented from attending the scene....

I'd be interested in the opinion of those on other threads this week who were saying that the inner cities of the UK were harmonious and wonderful.

Of course, I know that its not like that every night in every place, but for things like this to erupt, there are always underlying tensions
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It's not all been bad news, though:

Mail on Sunday photographers beaten and mugged by masked thugs
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Re: The Tottenham Riots....

Capital sees second night of clashes

This night, they are in Enfield.

Further to twitter, my neighbourhood is due tomorrow.
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Old 08.08.2011, 01:48
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14436499

Off Topic: and trouble in Spain too, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14415073

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Old 08.08.2011, 01:53
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Re: The Tottenham Riots....

Here's hoping it doesn't spread to the leafy suburbs of Hendon (NW London)
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Here's hoping it doesn't spread to the leafy suburbs of Hendon (NW London)
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Old 08.08.2011, 06:32
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There are all kinds of rumours flying around and the press are picking up on them, one was that only the charity shops were looted. Oh yes and Argos!

Q-What was the outcome of the Toxteth, Brixton and Broadwater Farm riots?

A- The subsequent Scarman Report (although primarily directed at the Brixton Riot of 1981) recognised that the riots did represent the result of social problems, such as poverty and deprivation.Wikipedia
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Re: The Tottenham Riots....

I had predicted on here that ther would be civil unrest in the UK and a lot of the West.
These Riots have nothing to do with some black guy in the community being shot by the police. This was purely an excuse to start rioting (something to do for a laugh) and to do some looting.
It appears to be mainly black Africans and young white lazy thugs that basically have never worked or done anything except scrounge benefits off the state.
They believe that the state owes them and they are entitled to benefits.
It has nothing to do with poverty; they are just people that are unemployable, don't want to work for their living and want everything for free.
There is no poverty in the UK (if one means a roof over your head and basic nutritious foods); it is just that society has given the impression that one needs a lot more than that to live.
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A- The subsequent Scarman Report (although primarily directed at the Brixton Riot of 1981) recognised that the riots did represent the result of social problems, such as poverty and deprivation.Wikipedia
And quite a lot of political correctness!
Nobody wants to say that is some sectors of the inner city population ( both white and black, before any jumps to conclusions) got of their fat arses and worked for a living/used contraception/ had a responsible attitude towards kids then they wouldn't be in "poverty"
The yoofs rioting last night in the badlands of Enfield didn't look hungry/ dressed in rags to me. And it was arranged on Twitter ... so they could stump up the monthly phone charges ...
The rioting has more to do with long holidays , being bored , no values or morals and meh, meh, meh ....

The press are now saying that it was a police round in the radio - if that is the case then the have committed a huge faux pa ... if thta is proved to be the case , then the Met do have some serious issues to address

As a final point , as we let is mess pan out, it will be interesting to see of the rioters and looters get treated in the same way has Charlie Gilmour - and handed out the same sentence ... No reason why they shouldn't
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I had predicted on here that ther would be civil unrest in the UK and a lot of the West.
These Riots have nothing to do with some black guy in the community being shot by the police. This was purely an excuse to start rioting (something to do for a laugh) and to do some looting.
It appears to be mainly black Africans and young white lazy thugs that basically have never worked or done anything except scrounge benefits off the state.
They believe that the state owes them and they are entitled to benefits.
It has nothing to do with poverty; they are just people that are unemployable, don't want to work for their living and want everything for free.
There is no poverty in the UK (if one means a roof over your head and basic nutritious foods); it is just that society has given the impression that one needs a lot more than that to live.
The state owes them a job and benefits, its what we all pay tax for, living on benefits is not an amazing sugar plum holiday, the bankers, the banks, the government and the the upper classes in general fu*ked the country and still get paid millions for the priviledge.

'No poverty'... you have a fat head, you might as well say 'let them eat cake', you view these people as nothing, and they are rioting due to social and economic disenfranchising by a government dead set on keeping the rich rich and the poor exactly where they are.

You would obviously like to wait untill the UK becomes a failed state and has Sudan style poverty before you can call it that.
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they are rioting due to social and economic disenfranchising by a government dead set on keeping the rich rich and the poor exactly where they are.
Nah.

They are rioting because
  • it is fun;
  • they get something for nothing.
Simples.
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The state owes them a job and benefits, its what we all pay tax for, living on benefits is not an amazing sugar plum holiday, the bankers, the banks, the government and the the upper classes in general fu*ked the country and still get paid millions for the priviledge.

'No poverty'... you have a fat head, you might as well say 'let them eat cake', you view these people as nothing, and they are rioting due to social and economic disenfranchising by a government dead set on keeping the rich rich and the poor exactly where they are.

You would obviously like to wait untill the UK becomes a failed state and has Sudan style poverty before you can call it that.
I used to love the series where they'd shack up people like Portillo on a council estate and get them to live on benefits.. They failed miserably
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Re: The Tottenham Riots....

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they are rioting due to social and economic disenfranchising by a government dead set on keeping the rich rich and the poor exactly where they are.
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sorry but that's total bollocks, free education, free housing, free benefits, free college etc etc the opportunities to better yourself are there for the taking in the UK, sure you may not be able to become super rich but you can have a perfectly comfortable life if you get off your arse.

Of course talking like some Jamaican gangster, covered in tats and saying init after every word isn't going to do you any favours in that job interview.

but lets face it, watching jeremy kyle, collecting your dole money, and the occasional riot is a much easier life.
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Re: The Tottenham Riots....

My sister lives half-way betwen Tottenham and Wood Green. She said the place was like a war zone with all the flying helicopters overhead during the night.
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They are rioting because
  • it is fun;
  • they get something for nothing.
Simples.
I'd say they are rioting because they can. And there's the nub of the matter...
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One other point is that for every 1 high paid banker or rich industrialist or whatever, there are 00,000s of ordinary people struggling to get by, who live by the law, pay their taxes, educate their kids and look to society to protect them.
There is no place for the likes of these scum, who steal from us, burn down our houses and flaunt the rules that collective society imposes on them. Punishment will take hours of police time and waste what meagre resources are available, and for what, to have social workers saying its not their fault because they have been brought up on Broadwater or whatever?
They burn building s and cars, they steal openly and they turn local centres into ghettos, and we are going to show the other cheek?
I don`t think so.
I don`t have all the answers but we cannot EVER afford to allow this thing to continue. Otherwise in a few years you will be reading about townships in London.
Incidentally, on my tv screen were both black and white looters and rioters, there is nothing racist about this.
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.....free education, free housing, free benefits, free college....
Have you actually checked on this in recent years ?
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My sister lives half-way betwen Tottenham and Wood Green. She said the place was like a war zone with all the flying helicopters overhead during the night.
I don't think it was , was it ...

unless you sister lived in Tripoli or Saravejvo!
There were probably quite a lot of police and helicopters around - somehow I doubt there were snipers and armour piercing rounds filling the air with death and destruction
It's the normal press over statement of a situation.

Wood Green is hardly the Green Line in downtown Beruit
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I don't think it was , was it ...
Simile.
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yep

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Educatio...rs/DG_10033130

as for the benefits they are easily checkable online too
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