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Waving guns at police to "warn them off" is pretty sure to get an armed response. Not sure of the details, but as an excuse, it's a pretty poor one. If he's waving guns at the police, what does he expect them to do?
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UK news reporting that the riots were fueled by [untrue - sic] rumours of a Mendez type head shot execution. (Shoot first, hope no questions asked later)

Facebook / Twitter adding to the fuel. "Check me out, I is on da news !"
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Something is rotten in the State of Tottenham...


"There is no evidence Mark Duggan opened fire at police before being shot dead by a firearms officer, the Independent Police Complaints Commission has said.
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"The initial results confirmed a bullet found lodged in a police officer's radio was a "jacketed round" - a police issue bullet consistent with being fired from a force Heckler and Koch MP5."


Another Mendez type execution as I mentioned earlier...
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Something is rotten in the State of Tottenham...


"There is no evidence Mark Duggan opened fire at police before being shot dead by a firearms officer, the Independent Police Complaints Commission has said.
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"The initial results confirmed a bullet found lodged in a police officer's radio was a "jacketed round" - a police issue bullet consistent with being fired from a force Heckler and Koch MP5."



Another Mendez type execution as I mentioned earlier...

Firing on a cop is irrelevant. Did he pull his illegal firearm on the cop? That's all I'd need.
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"There is no evidence Mark Duggan opened fire at police before being shot dead by a firearms officer, the Independent Police Complaints Commission has said.
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"The initial results confirmed a bullet found lodged in a police officer's radio was a "jacketed round" - a police issue bullet consistent with being fired from a force Heckler and Koch MP5."


Another Mendez type execution as I mentioned earlier...

And the handgun recovered by the fascist forces - a replica that had been converted to live fire - was teleported down from the USS Enterprise in low-earth orbit, I suppose?

And it was just pure coincidence that he just happened to be in a taxi that the police stopped? And pure coincidence that he texted someone that the police were following him? And pure coincidence that he didn't stay put when faced by a number of armed police pointing serious firepower at him?

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Firing on a cop is irrelevant. Did he pull his illegal firearm on the cop? That's all I'd need.
Mendez was slightly dark if you remember so it is understandable that the police shot him.

As for Duggan, maybe he was just waving his firearm at them to threaten them. And he had a touch of the tarbrush too.

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And the handgun recovered by the fascist forces - a replica that had been converted to live fire - was teleported down from the USS Enterprise in low-earth orbit, I suppose?

And it was just pure coincidence that he just happened to be in a taxi that the police stopped? And pure coincidence that he texted someone that the police were following him? And pure coincidence that he didn't stay put when faced by a number of armed police pointing serious firepower at him?

Well, ya've got me convinced, UtH! Can you PM me next weekend's UK and Eurolottery numbers when you have a mo? Many thanks in advance.
Nobody is doubting the existence of the handgun... What is becoming more clearer is the Mendez style execution by the Met. A new tactic by the Met in dealing with suspects. Shoot first, the rest can go and get fekked. Dispense with a trial, Judge Dredd rules.

The Met have lauded themselves above the law and now act on their own. Those people on those estates know too well how the Met work, this time was a step too far. These pigs deserve the ire of the local population, the rioters have obviously sent a message, echoed by all the other cities. The whole rioting issues goes far deeper, a complete dissatisfaction with Police tactics and procedure.

The Met see themselves as Judge, jury and executioner. Thus, riots are not enough, do not go far enough. This is the defence of the British Justice System against evil bastards that would call themselves "The Law" whilst the nimby bourgeois tut tut in ridiculous ignorance. Smash the system.


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Nobody is doubting the existence of the handgun
Live by the sword, die by the sword.
By the time the Met get around to paying someone a visit, they've been a very bad man indeed.
I don't have any sympathy at all for this bloke, at all.
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Nobody is doubting the existence of the handgun... What is becoming more clearer is the Mendez style execution by the Met. A new tactic by the Met in dealing with suspects. Shoot first, the rest can go and get fekked. Dispense with a trial, Judge Dredd rules.

The Met have lauded themselves above the law and now act on their own. Those people on those estates know too well how the Met work, this time was a step too far. These pigs deserve the ire of the local population, the rioters have obviously sent a message, echoed by all the other cities. The whole rioting issues goes far deeper, a complete dissatisfaction with Police tactics and procedure.

The Met see themselves as Judge, jury and executioner. Thus, riots are not enough, do not go far enough. This is the defence of the British Justice System against evil bastards that would call themselves "The Law" whilst the nimby bourgeois tut tut in ridiculous ignorance. Smash the system.
So are you saying the police must give gangsters a free shot at them before retaliating? I'm not saying your wrong but if the police feels their lives are threatened by a guy with a gun, then obviously they're gonna take him out before he has the chance to shoot. The credability of the police has been weakened by them claiming he shot first but just because Duggan didn't let off a shot doesn't mean it was an execution.
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Live by the sword, die by the sword.
By the time the Met get around to paying someone a visit, they've been a very bad man indeed.
I don't have any sympathy at all for this bloke, at all.
Then all armed Police should be shot ? As all Soldiers ?

A man is guilty when brought to trial, and convicted under the weight of evidence and by a jury considering that evidence, not by the Judge Jury Executioner Police mob. Have you any idea as to the ramifications of Law enforcers running around as Judges ? Have you even given an ounce of thought as to the damage to the Justice system and the harm to democracy this brings about ?

No. You haven't shed an ounce of brain matter in this respect. You have judged and condemned this innocent man based on what you have read and wish to believe. Based on your bias and ignorance you have seen the execution of an innocent man (in the eyes of the law) and sided with the outcome because it suits you for no other reason that you wish to hate that which you fear and misunderstand.
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So are you saying the police must give gangsters a free shot at them before retaliating? I'm not saying your wrong but if the police feels their lives are threatened by a guy with a gun, then obviously they're gonna take him out before he has the chance to shoot. The credability of the police has been weakened by them claiming he shot first but just because Duggan didn't let off a shot doesn't mean it was an execution.
I am saying if the Police believe a man to be guilty of a crime (They didn't just SUS this man) then you bring him before the courts. That is the British way.There is no evidence (yet) that the Police believed this man to be armed, and nothing to suggest they didn't find the gun after the execution. Everything, judging by the civilian reaction suggests this was a Met execution. The Police have already lied by saying he shot first, by lying that he shot at a Policeman ( and hit the radio). The Police have lied. Why ? Because they know they can get away with it. At least they thought so.

The people that started the riot saw something that provoked rage and hate, ending in riots. If I saw what I believed happened, I would be throwing the first stones.
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The Met aren't perfect by a long way, but in a split second decision when someone believed with good reason to be carrying a weapon reaches inside his jacket (or a 101 other possible scenarios) there isn't always time to be "convicted under the weight of evidence and by a jury considering that evidence"

The simple fact is if you are prepared to go out with a gun on the streets you are asking for it, especially if you are already known to the police. As said:

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By the time the Met get around to paying someone a visit, they've been a very bad man indeed.
I don't have any sympathy at all for this bloke, at all.
And i'm sorry, riots not far enough? Get a grip.
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The Met aren't perfect by a long way, but in a split second decision when someone believed with good reason to be carrying a weapon reaches inside his jacket (or a 101 other possible scenarios) there isn't always time to be "convicted under the weight of evidence and by a jury considering that evidence"

The simple fact is if you are prepared to go out with a gun on the streets you are asking for it, especially if you are already known to the police. As said:



And i'm sorry, riots not far enough? Get a grip.
It was not a split second decision to send armed officers to execute a man...
Why do you say he reached into his jacket ? Source ?

The people on the ground there, that saw what happened are letting you know how they feel about what happened, why disbelieve them ? The Police have already lied, why believe them or side with them ?
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It was not a split second decision to send armed officers to execute a man...
Why do you say he reached into his jacket ? Source ?
Sent to execute a man, source?

The jacket reference was purely a speculative scenario, no source.

Chavs looting in Manc don't have a clue what happened in Tottenham, they are just thieving pikes.

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Sent to execute a man, source?

The jacket reference was purely a speculative scenario, no source.

Chavs looting in Manc don't have a clue what happened in Tottenham, they are just thieving pikes.
So am armed unit in the area just happened to be passing by ? Smell the coffee. These units are deployed from a co-ordinated control room, by design, with intent. As for Manchester, word gets around.
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So am armed unit in the area just happened to be passing by ? Smell the coffee. These units are deployed from a co-ordinated control room, by design, with intent. As for Manchester, word gets around.
Presumably they were deployed as they knew Duggan had a gun, and sending unarmed officers after him would be signing their death warrants.
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Presumably they were deployed as they knew Duggan had a gun, and sending unarmed officers after him would be signing their death warrants.
It was Duggans death warrant that was signed. Whatever happened to "Drop your weapon and come out with your hands up" ? They shot first, no questions asked, it was witnessed as such and now we see the results.
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Nobody is doubting the existence of the handgun... What is becoming more clearer is the Mendez style execution by the Met. A new tactic by the Met in dealing with suspects. Shoot first, the rest can go and get fekked. Dispense with a trial, Judge Dredd rules.

The Met have lauded themselves above the law and now act on their own. Those people on those estates know too well how the Met work, this time was a step too far. These pigs deserve the ire of the local population, the rioters have obviously sent a message, echoed by all the other cities. The whole rioting issues goes far deeper, a complete dissatisfaction with Police tactics and procedure.

The Met see themselves as Judge, jury and executioner. Thus, riots are not enough, do not go far enough. This is the defence of the British Justice System against evil bastards that would call themselves "The Law" whilst the nimby bourgeois tut tut in ridiculous ignorance. Smash the system.


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