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Old 10.08.2011, 10:36
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So am armed unit in the area just happened to be passing by ? Smell the coffee. These units are deployed from a co-ordinated control room, by design, with intent. As for Manchester, word gets around.

so whats your point? the police knew this guy was armed, was possibly on his way to try to kill the 3 scum that stabbed his cousin and by his own families admission was paranoid, so call me old old fashioned, but 'normal' people don't get themselves into so much bother there relatives get stabbed and they feel the need to get tooled up.

If you have a gun, be it real, replica or converted, out and about on the streets in the uk, then there is a fairly high chance you'll be shot, if you don't do what the police say then you've just increased your chance, look like your going for the gun and bingo.

to be honest if the police shot a few more gun wielding scumbags then the kids may start getting the message, if the courts actually followed the minimum sentencing guidelines for gun and knife possession then they may start getting the message
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Old 10.08.2011, 10:54
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so whats your point? the police knew this guy was armed, was possibly on his way to try to kill the 3 scum that stabbed his cousin and by his own families admission was paranoid, so call me old old fashioned, but 'normal' people don't get themselves into so much bother there relatives get stabbed and they feel the need to get tooled up.

If you have a gun, be it real, replica or converted, out and about on the streets in the uk, then there is a fairly high chance you'll be shot, if you don't do what the police say then you've just increased your chance, look like your going for the gun and bingo.

to be honest if the police shot a few more gun wielding scumbags then the kids may start getting the message, if the courts actually followed the minimum sentencing guidelines for gun and knife possession then they may start getting the message
plus whatever right and wrong that could be considered here is not reason for people like Dean Esnard to go out and help himself to a PS3 and 42" plasma TV.

FWIW, if you're understood as being armed then the police will be authorised to use deadly force. They will not aim to do anything but terminate the threat - disabling not death would be accidental.

So for any scrote who has an illegal gun with serial number filed off, be it in a sock or loaded and pointing at the coppers, they will shoot to kill. They are in the firing line if they don't (according to whatever information they have).
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It was Duggans death warrant that was signed. Whatever happened to "Drop your weapon and come out with your hands up" ? They shot first, no questions asked, it was witnessed as such and now we see the results.
Sorry, live by the sword, die by the sword.

I will not shed a tear for a gun toting eejit, who was on his way to summarily execute 3 people (although, they were likely wrong'uns too).

As BigBlue said, if you are wandering the streets with a gun (or in a taxi, whatever) and the police know you have it, and you don't comply with them, then you're going down. The police have a duty to protect the people they are serving, and so that is best served by not waiting for a nutter to shoot (it's not just them who may be hit), and to take him down at the first sign of aggression or non-compliance from him.

Do you think police are expendable cannonfodder? Your argument seems to suggest so. I think most people would consider their lives at least equal to that of a gun wielding loon, so they have every right to fire on him to defend themselves (hint: you don't need to wait for someone to attack you to defend yourself).
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Old 10.08.2011, 11:20
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(hint: you don't need to wait for someone to attack you to defend yourself).
If you are not being attacked, just what are you defending against ?

This man allegedly had a gun in his sock, in a black cab at night. There was absolutely no way the Police confirmed he was armed before they shot him. He was executed by the Met. They dragged him out of the car , held him down and shot him at such close range one of their own bullets ricocheted back and hit the firing officer.

If this man was a criminal, or guilty of any offense he would have already been behind bars, but oh no, he was a man at liberty and all the fools believe the crap the Police spout about about him in an effort to gain support. Just like they lied about Menzes, they lied about Duggan.
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Old 10.08.2011, 11:27
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He had a gun. Bad thing. Not allowed . Police are there to protect us all. Good thing . They shot him. Good thing.
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If you are not being attacked, just what are you defending against ?

This man allegedly had a gun in his sock, in a black cab at night. There was absolutely no way the Police confirmed he was armed before they shot him. He was executed by the Met. They dragged him out of the car , held him down and shot him at such close range one of their own bullets ricocheted back and hit the firing officer.

If this man was a criminal, or guilty of any offense he would have already been behind bars, but oh no, he was a man at liberty and all the fools believe the crap the Police spout about about him in an effort to gain support. Just like they lied about Menzes, they lied about Duggan.
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Old 10.08.2011, 11:30
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If you are not being attacked, just what are you defending against ?

This man allegedly had a gun in his sock, in a black cab at night. There was absolutely no way the Police confirmed he was armed before they shot him. He was executed by the Met. They dragged him out of the car , held him down and shot him at such close range one of their own bullets ricocheted back and hit the firing officer.

If this man was a criminal, or guilty of any offense he would have already been behind bars, but oh no, he was a man at liberty and all the fools believe the crap the Police spout about about him in an effort to gain support. Just like they lied about Menzes, they lied about Duggan.
A post mortem shows that he was shot once in the chest. How on earth can you imagine that they held him down, shot him once in the chest and the bullet ricocheted out of him and into the coppers radio?
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Old 10.08.2011, 11:34
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He had a gun. Bad thing. Not allowed . Police are there to protect us all. Good thing . They shot him. Good thing.
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You mean the Police said he had a gun ? Where is the proof they didn't plant it ? Who can believe them now after so many lies already,
Well, congrats on the over-simplification, it saves you from thinking and makes ignorance a comfortable place to stay in.

On the other hand, we have armed cops running around taking the law into their own hands , murdering innocent people threatening the (fine) British Justice system and you think that's a good thing.

Strange though, what kind of people here believe and support liars and murderers and what kind of people then twist the story round to support their point of view.
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This man allegedly had a gun in his sock, in a black cab at night. There was absolutely no way the Police confirmed he was armed before they shot him. He was executed by the Met. They dragged him out of the car , held him down and shot him at such close range one of their own bullets ricocheted back and hit the firing officer.
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Is that what the witness said? Or is it third-party? That seems a pretty definitive statement on your behalf. Especially the "black cab" part.
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A post mortem shows that he was shot once in the chest. How on earth can you imagine that they held him down, shot him once in the chest and the bullet ricocheted out of him and into the coppers radio?
How do you explain a single shot killing a man yet a Police bullet ended up in the radio of another Policeman ???
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How do you explain a single shot killing a man yet a Police bullet ended up in the radio of another Policeman ???
Well they obviously werent holding him down were they?
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Is that what the witness said? Or is it third-party? That seems a pretty definitive statement on your behalf. Especially the "black cab" part.
What's the difference, any witness was a third party...
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What's the difference, any witness was a third party...
Well I would suspect the only witness / third party to have remembered properly the color of the cab he was driving. Which happened to be silver.

Maybe time to rephrase the rest of your definitive "account of the facts".
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Well they obviously werent holding him down were they?
How are you sure about ? Mendez was held and still shot in the heart and head.
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How are you sure about ? Mendez was held and still shot in the heart and head.
Well im pretty sure the coroner would have noticed a second hole in his chest (ie the ricochet) or are you suggesting that he is lying as well?
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Well I would suspect the only witness / third party to have remembered properly the color of the cab he was driving. Which happened to be silver.

Maybe time to rephrase the rest of your definitive "account of the facts".
Where are you taking this argument ??? Where do you get your facts, and at this point in time, who are you choosing to believe and why ?
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Well im pretty sure the coroner would have noticed a second hole in his chest (ie the ricochet) or are you suggesting that he is lying as well?
You are assuming they only fired one shot...

Sorry, I missed your explanation as to how the Cop got shot.
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You are assuming they only fired one shot...

Sorry, I missed your explanation as to how the Cop got shot.
Coroners report confirmed he died from one gunshot wound to the chest.
I have no explanation to the bullet found in the cops radio but I don`t speculate either.
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Where are you taking this argument ??? Where do you get your facts, and at this point in time, who are you choosing to believe and why ?
I choose to believe the witness who I believe despite his shock doesn't seem to confirm your definitive "black cab black sock police coldblood murder" just yet. If only because his cab wasn't black.

So, my question is - who do YOU believe? It obviously can't be the witness.
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How are you sure about ? Mendez was held and still shot in the heart and head.
His name wasn't "Mendez" ....perhaps you're thinking of the short order cook at Papa Joes. What has one got to do with the other anyway? The guy was a gangster. He was stopped, he was carrying an illegal firearm in an operation designed to stop exactly that (cops were right on the money this time). We'll never be able to know whether he pulled that gun or not, but I'm not too worried. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Or, put another way, if you want to live a long and healthy life, don't ride around tottenham with an illegal firearm.
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His name wasn't "Mendez" ....perhaps you're thinking of the short order cook at Papa Joes. What has one got to do with the other anyway? The guy was a gangster. He was stopped, he was carrying an illegal firearm in an operation designed to stop exactly that (cops were right on the money this time). We'll never be able to know whether he pulled that gun or not, but I'm not too worried. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Or, put another way, if you want to live a long and healthy life, don't ride around tottenham with an illegal firearm.
Whatever this man was, no Society should have the Law enforcers running around sentencing people. As I said before, if they had enough evidence to warrant sending out an armed response unit, they should have raided his home early a.m. and arrested him, and not have deployed summary justice on the streets in a planned execution.

You haven't forgotten who Mendez was, have you ?
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