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Whatever this man was, no Society should have the Law enforcers running around sentencing people. As I said before, if they had enough evidence to warrant sending out an armed response unit, they should have raided his home early a.m. and arrested him, and not have deployed summary justice on the streets in a planned execution.

You haven't forgotten who Mendez was, have you ?
About "they should have raided his home early a.m."

Ah - he was handing out business cards with his home address?
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You haven't forgotten who Mendez was, have you ?
I can't recall a chap by that name being shot by the police.
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About "they should have raided his home early a.m."

Ah - he was handing out business cards with his home address?
They knew this man, enough about him to intercept him with an armed squad. Do you honestly think such surveillance would not reveal his home or where he sleeps ?
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"Menezes"??

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4713753.stm

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They knew this man, enough about him to intercept him with an armed squad. Do you honestly think such surveillance would not reveal his home or where he sleeps ?
Where his children and partner live? Where his mum lives, perhaps?

Do you remember what sparked the last set of riots in Tottenham?
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I can't recall a chap by that name being shot by the police.
Thanks, a persistent typo on my part. But we all know about the other Met victim so perhaps spelling issues are moot.
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Old 10.08.2011, 10:57
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Old 10.08.2011, 10:58
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They knew this man, enough about him to intercept him with an armed squad. Do you honestly think such surveillance would not reveal his home or where he sleeps ?
He lived on Broadwater Farm, I don`t think a couple of armed officers would have had a lot of success even in an early morning raid.
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About "they should have raided his home early a.m."

Ah - he was handing out business cards with his home address?
If the police had enough intelligence on him to know that he would be in a taxi at a certain place at a certain time, they surely knew his abode.
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Is that what the witness said? Or is it third-party? That seems a pretty definitive statement on your behalf. Especially the "black cab" part.
Ask and you will receive...amazing how quickly this was done..I wonder why?

http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/news/Pages/pr...ganupdate.aspx
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Whatever this man was, no Society should have the Law enforcers running around sentencing people. As I said before, if they had enough evidence to warrant sending out an armed response unit, they should have raided his home early a.m. and arrested him, and not have deployed summary justice on the streets in a planned execution.

You haven't forgotten who Mendez was, have you ?
Mendez is the guy who makes the burgers at Papa Joes. No one sentenced anyone. There was an illegal gun. Maybe there was a mistake, maybe there wasn't ... But no one was executed.
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Ask and you will receive...amazing how quickly this was done..I wonder why?

http://www.ipcc.gov.uk/news/Pages/pr...ganupdate.aspx
So the black cab from wasn't black? I'm shocked. That Upthehatters account of the facts seemed to be so... convincing. Especially the "at night" at 6pm London time part.

Oh hang on. The cab has been resprayed in the meantime to cover another illegal execution by the police. Right.
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Coroners report confirmed he died from one gunshot wound to the chest.
I have no explanation to the bullet found in the cops radio but I don`t speculate either.


There were two wounds on Duggan - one in the chest and another in the arm. It's assumed that the shot which hit his arm went on to lodge in the radio of the other officer.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...m-reveals.html

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Mark Duggan, the man whose death sparked the beginning of the riots, did not open fire on police before he was shot dead, but did draw a weapon, it is understood.

He died form a single gunshot wound to the chest, a post mortem has found.

The finding comes as the Independent Police Complaints Commission prepares to release further information about his death.

Duggan was killed on Thursday night during a police operation in north London.

He was shot dead by a Scotland Yard firearms officer. Initially it was said that he died following an exchange of fire with officers.

This theory was given credence by the fact that a non-police handgun was discovered at the scene and because a bullet was found lodged in a police officer’s radio.



However, IPCC investigators have spoken to the officers involved in the operation and have received forensic test results on the bullet which hit the police officer.
They have established that the bullet was a police-issue round which went through Duggan’s arm and lodged in another officer’s radio.
How did a shot which hit Duggans arm end up in the chest radio of a police officer? I'd have to say there is some evidence here that Duggan might have been restrained at the time he was shot in the chest and this needs to be investigated further.
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Mendez is the guy who makes the burgers at Papa Joes. No one sentenced anyone. There was an illegal gun. Maybe there was a mistake, maybe there wasn't ... But no one was executed.
So he is still alive ?
What word would you use, if not execution ?

He was not brandishing the firearm, there is no account to say the Police gave him any warning ("Hands up" , "Drop your weapon" , "Get down" etc). IMHO, the Police were not justified in discharging their weapons. IMHO, they deliberately set out to take this mans life.
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So the black cab from wasn't black? I'm shocked. That Upthehatters account of the facts seemed to be so... convincing.

Oh hang on. The cab has been resprayed in the meantime to cover another illegal execution by the police. Right.
"Black Cab" is quite a generic broad term for Taxi in London. How many times have you asked for a Black Cab, or said you were going to get a Black Cab, only for it to be Silver or Maroon. ??? What does it matter what colour the cab was ?

Would it weaken the argument if I replaced "Black Cab" with "Cab", if so , why ? It makes no difference.
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There were two wounds on Duggan - one in the chest and another in the arm. It's assumed that the shot which hit his arm went on to lodge in the radio of the other officer.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...m-reveals.html

How did a shot which hit Duggans arm end up in the chest radio of a police officer? I'd have to say there is some evidence here that Duggan might have been restrained at the time he was shot in the chest and this needs to be investigated further.
If he was being restrained, then they deliberately shot him in the arm? or they are that bad a shot from close range? The cop shot twice as he is trained to do, the guy was moving, who knows in which direction or more likely as we was holding up his weapon, therefore two shots arm and chest.Makes a lot more sense.
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Would it weaken the argument if I replaced "Black Cab" with "Cab", if so , why ? It makes no difference.
Well, you seem to be in possession of quite a lot of the facts of the shooting incident, so it seems odd that you would confuse a minicab with a black cab.

You're not suggesting that you weren't actually there, are you?
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"Black Cab" is quite a generic broad term for Taxi in London. How many times have you asked for a Black Cab, or said you were going to get a Black Cab, only for it to be Silver or Maroon. ??? What does it matter what colour the cab was ?

Would it weaken the argument if I replaced "Black Cab" with "Cab", if so , why ? It makes no difference.
was I reading a different report ?

" a silver Toyota Estima people carrier minicab "
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"Black Cab" is quite a generic broad term for Taxi in London. How many times have you asked for a Black Cab, or said you were going to get a Black Cab, only for it to be Silver or Maroon. ??? What does it matter what colour the cab was ?

Would it weaken the argument if I replaced "Black Cab" with "Cab", if so , why ? It makes no difference.
I thought it was a minicab?
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If he was being restrained, then they deliberately shot him in the arm? or they are that bad a shot from close range? The cop shot twice as he is trained to do, the guy was moving, who knows in which direction or more likely as we was holding up his weapon, therefore two shots arm and chest.Makes a lot more sense.
Wishful thinking.
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