Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Off-Topic > Off-Topic > International affairs/politics  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 11.08.2011, 12:09
Ittigen
 
Posts: n/a
UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments)

An electronic petition, "Axe rioters' benefits", submitted by Stephen Mains, is dwarfing its closest competitors on the e-petitions website. By 6am today 90,000 had signed the petition. When 100,000 can be collected the government will debate the petition in parliament.

At present the site is seriously overloaded!

Story http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14474429

Petition website http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11.08.2011, 12:49
jrspet's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Quaint Wädenswil, Zürich, CH
Posts: 8,132
Groaned at 27 Times in 20 Posts
Thanked 7,036 Times in 3,912 Posts
jrspet has a reputation beyond reputejrspet has a reputation beyond reputejrspet has a reputation beyond reputejrspet has a reputation beyond reputejrspet has a reputation beyond reputejrspet has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments)

Working URL:

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/7337

97,189 signed so far.

And send them to Oz perhaps ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Pound_Poms

Edit: Gold! http://photoshoplooter.tumblr.com/

Last edited by jrspet; 11.08.2011 at 13:01.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 11.08.2011, 12:56
Upthehatters2008's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: In the kitchen at parties.
Posts: 4,540
Groaned at 204 Times in 120 Posts
Thanked 6,078 Times in 2,378 Posts
Upthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments)

What a great idea, use economic sanctions against the impoverished, starve them and force them into crime to feed themselves.

...and just how do people expect people on benefits (aka the breadline) to survive ?

This is a knee jerk, spiteful reaction. Poorly thought out and impossible to implement. People's time is best spent elsewhere.
Reply With Quote
The following 9 users would like to thank Upthehatters2008 for this useful post:
  #4  
Old 11.08.2011, 13:00
Mowvich's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Genève
Posts: 1,422
Groaned at 28 Times in 20 Posts
Thanked 1,308 Times in 607 Posts
Mowvich has a reputation beyond reputeMowvich has a reputation beyond reputeMowvich has a reputation beyond reputeMowvich has a reputation beyond reputeMowvich has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments)

So they wanna stop them from being casual rioters and turn them into forced monster criminals, isn't the government ignorance to educated this people and put them on the right track enough, didn't they learn from any mistakes.....what a wise decision to make

What about reform them, contain them, train them, educate them, give them a job, turn their energy to serve the right cause and society rather than siding them of it.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Mowvich for this useful post:
  #5  
Old 11.08.2011, 13:38
5AVeci
 
Posts: n/a
Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments)

Quote:
View Post
...and just how do people expect people on benefits (aka the breadline) to survive ?
Umm, this may sound weird... but... accept lower standard of life and work?
Reply With Quote
This user groans at for this post:
  #6  
Old 11.08.2011, 13:39
Ittigen
 
Posts: n/a
Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments)

Maybe it is now time for the government of the UK to sort the mess out. There is not, in my opinion, just one source of discontent, the UK society needs to address these serious problems. This petition is a wake up call.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 11.08.2011, 13:39
grumpygit's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: geneva
Posts: 1,476
Groaned at 29 Times in 16 Posts
Thanked 1,508 Times in 695 Posts
grumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments)

Quote:
View Post
What a great idea, use economic sanctions against the impoverished, starve them and force them into crime to feed themselves.

...and just how do people expect people on benefits (aka the breadline) to survive ?

This is a knee jerk, spiteful reaction. Poorly thought out and impossible to implement. People's time is best spent elsewhere.
Well it worked for Oliver Twist
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 11.08.2011, 13:40
NotAllThere's Avatar
Mod x2
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Baselland
Posts: 13,811
Groaned at 244 Times in 215 Posts
Thanked 20,397 Times in 8,280 Posts
NotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments)

Quote:
View Post
What a great idea, use economic sanctions against the impoverished, starve them and force them into crime to feed themselves.

...and just how do people expect people on benefits (aka the breadline) to survive ?

This is a knee jerk, spiteful reaction. Poorly thought out and impossible to implement. People's time is best spent elsewhere.
And the petition refers only to those in London.

If a person is convicted of rioting, they and their family can already face eviction, if they're a council tenant.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 11.08.2011, 13:42
grumpygit's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: geneva
Posts: 1,476
Groaned at 29 Times in 16 Posts
Thanked 1,508 Times in 695 Posts
grumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments)

Quote:
View Post
Maybe it is now time for the government of the UK to sort the mess out. There is not, in my opinion, just one source of discontent, the UK society needs to address these serious problems. This petition is a wake up call.
I think the problem is the same in each European state - for certain in France. Its a sign of the way economic growth has left many casualties along the way. So a recession/depression may well be just the thing we need to correct things.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 11.08.2011, 13:44
Upthehatters2008's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: In the kitchen at parties.
Posts: 4,540
Groaned at 204 Times in 120 Posts
Thanked 6,078 Times in 2,378 Posts
Upthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments)

Quote:
View Post
Umm, this may sound weird... but... accept lower standard of life and work?
They exist on the breadline. It is inhuman to suggest they should suffer a lower standard of living which would affect health etc. According to the benefits system, they get the MINIMUM amount to survive. Barebones survival.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 11.08.2011, 13:45
Upthehatters2008's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: In the kitchen at parties.
Posts: 4,540
Groaned at 204 Times in 120 Posts
Thanked 6,078 Times in 2,378 Posts
Upthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments)

Quote:
View Post
And the petition refers only to those in London.

If a person is convicted of rioting, they and their family can already face eviction, if they're a council tenant.
So evict them and then what ??? The System still has to provide them / has a duty to provide them with accommodation.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 11.08.2011, 13:46
Upthehatters2008's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: In the kitchen at parties.
Posts: 4,540
Groaned at 204 Times in 120 Posts
Thanked 6,078 Times in 2,378 Posts
Upthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments)

Quote:
View Post
Well it worked for Oliver Twist
Keep it real. We all know Oliver Twist was acting. I saw the film dude...
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 11.08.2011, 13:46
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Vaud
Posts: 2,459
Groaned at 175 Times in 122 Posts
Thanked 4,947 Times in 1,902 Posts
Mikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments)

Quote:
View Post
What a great idea, use economic sanctions against the impoverished, starve them and force them into crime to feed themselves.

...and just how do people expect people on benefits (aka the breadline) to survive ?

This is a knee jerk, spiteful reaction. Poorly thought out and impossible to implement. People's time is best spent elsewhere.
I think leaving people to starve is a bit of an extreme suggestion, however they could reduce their benefits to a minimum, so that they are given food tokens instead of money and so on.

I'm a bit more of a leftie nowadays and I fully understand the Let Them Become Good People Through Education argumeent, but I do honestly think there are a small subset of youths nowadays in england who will not respond to the softly softly approach and if who, rather than having benefits completely removed, had to do some type of work, be it community service, for continued benefit payment, might actually learn a bit more about respect that way.

The argument of "well if you dont give them benefits they'll just become even more terrible criminals" is bullying in itself - trying to instill a picture of fear with thousands of master criminals roaming the streets. If they become greater criminals then they will be improsoned for longer when caught.

I am all for education education education when it works, however you cannot continually throw money at a project forever when the only visible response is that your city is trashed.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 11.08.2011, 13:47
Phil_MCR's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Basel
Posts: 14,602
Groaned at 281 Times in 187 Posts
Thanked 18,454 Times in 7,738 Posts
Phil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond reputePhil_MCR has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments)

Quote:
View Post
...and just how do people expect people on benefits (aka the breadline) to survive ?
they don't. hence it is a permanent solution to the problem.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 11.08.2011, 13:48
grumpygit's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: geneva
Posts: 1,476
Groaned at 29 Times in 16 Posts
Thanked 1,508 Times in 695 Posts
grumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments)

Quote:
View Post
So evict them and then what ??? The System still has to provide them / has a duty to provide them with accommodation.
Thats correct, but how do you explain to one neighbour who is law abiding keeps their council house clean, claims the correct amount of money from welfare and tries to get along, that their neighbour who has been out looting , probably pushing drugs to their child outside,drinking all night and sleeping all day and trashing their own council place that its our duty to provide for both neighbours equally.
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 11.08.2011, 13:49
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Vaud
Posts: 2,459
Groaned at 175 Times in 122 Posts
Thanked 4,947 Times in 1,902 Posts
Mikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond reputeMikers has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments)

Quote:
View Post
They exist on the breadline. It is inhuman to suggest they should suffer a lower standard of living which would affect health etc. According to the benefits system, they get the MINIMUM amount to survive. Barebones survival.
except they dont. the UK benefits system is quite generous and no matter what level of benefits you are on you get NHS service for free as it is social healthcare.

It is certainly inhuman to march down ealing setting fire to and wrecking all the shops.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 11.08.2011, 13:50
grumpygit's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: geneva
Posts: 1,476
Groaned at 29 Times in 16 Posts
Thanked 1,508 Times in 695 Posts
grumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond reputegrumpygit has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments)

Quote:
View Post
Keep it real. We all know Oliver Twist was acting. I saw the film dude...
No way OMG (im devastated)

Last edited by grumpygit; 11.08.2011 at 14:20.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 11.08.2011, 13:56
Upthehatters2008's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: In the kitchen at parties.
Posts: 4,540
Groaned at 204 Times in 120 Posts
Thanked 6,078 Times in 2,378 Posts
Upthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments)

Quote:
View Post
except they dont. the UK benefits system is quite generous and no matter what level of benefits you are on you get NHS service for free as it is social healthcare.

It is certainly inhuman to march down ealing setting fire to and wrecking all the shops.
Generous ? Absolute rubbish. It is a pittance.

Forget healthcare, we are talking even lower basics such as decent housing and enough money for eating properly.

Whatever you or other people say, the level of benefits keeps people on the breadline , it encourages crime. Increase the level of benefits, give people jobs, respect and dignity and the social ills will fade away. Look at the crime rates in countries that pay a living benefit (Denmark, Switzerland etc), they have none of the UK's social problems.

Reducing benefits is ridiculous. Spiteful, hateful and ignorant.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 11.08.2011, 13:58
Newbie 1st class
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: zurich
Posts: 19
Groaned at 6 Times in 2 Posts
Thanked 31 Times in 8 Posts
egy_flame is considered knowledgeableegy_flame is considered knowledgeableegy_flame is considered knowledgeable
Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments)

These kids need to be punished, Prison isnt enough, most of them have probably been to prison before, so no big deal ..... stopping benefits or part of should do the trick....
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 11.08.2011, 13:59
Upthehatters2008's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: In the kitchen at parties.
Posts: 4,540
Groaned at 204 Times in 120 Posts
Thanked 6,078 Times in 2,378 Posts
Upthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond reputeUpthehatters2008 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: UK E-Petition to Axe rioters' benefits (Stop Social Security payments)

Quote:
View Post
Thats correct, but how do you explain to one neighbour who is law abiding keeps their council house clean, claims the correct amount of money from welfare and tries to get along, that their neighbour who has been out looting , probably pushing drugs to their child outside,drinking all night and sleeping all day and trashing their own council place that its our duty to provide for both neighbours equally.
Provide equally, if they are breaking the law, there are existing measures in place to deal with that. That honest hard working neighbour has self respect and does not need an consolation as to what their neighbours get up to.

Cutting benefits will only make things worse. The argument ends there.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Upthehatters2008 for this useful post:
Reply

Tags
benefits, petition, rioters




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
US social security to Switzerland vishi Finance/banking/taxation 4 24.05.2013 14:21
Pfizer to axe 2400 UK jobs Deep Purple International affairs/politics 14 01.02.2011 21:26
Breakdown of tax & social security payments hodgedob Finance/banking/taxation 11 06.11.2009 14:26
Future benefits from back-payments on pensions Guest Finance/banking/taxation 10 01.06.2009 01:05
Guide to Swiss social security for EU citizens [in English] dannyt986 Finance/banking/taxation 0 19.02.2008 15:24


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 22:47.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0